this is operation: Knightfall. General vader will not be joining us today. The jedi are unsuspecting so we will catch them off guard, though the advantege will not last long. we estimate there are about 6,000 jedi in the temple so we have a huge adantage in numbers, but 2000 are knights and 500 masters, with 3500 padawans. there are also 6000 younglings but they have worthless training sabers and will go down without a fight. Lets move men! - Commander Appo before the Raid of the Jedi Temple
Well, they are unsuspecting so lets say before the Jedi can even react 20 padawans, 15 Knights and 10 Masters drop dead. Then if each Master can deal with 5 Clones and each Knight can deal with 4 and each Padawan can deal with one then that's all the Clones dead. Now, I'm sure most of the Padawans can kill one Clone at least and some of the older, more esperienced ones could probably kill 2+. As for the Knights, maybe a couple would die trying to take 4 Clones out but most of them I could see taking at least 4 possibly more, same with the Masters and if anybody good is there like Cin he could probably take lots of Clones out. Plus the 6000 Younglings, training sabers arn't worthless, they can do damage, I could see the 6000 combined easily taking down at least a thousand troopers, that's 6 on 1 so they should be able to do that for sure. So really I don't think this would be to hard for the Jedi at all.
Since the Younglings are not match for 501st, I would only send a limited number of troops to attack them.
The Padawans would probably be with their Jedi Knight/Masters, or probably at the traing centers. However,
the Jedi Masters would be the most dangerous threat, so they should be relentlessly overwhelmed.
Then, the Jedi Knights will follow suit.
5000 Clone Troopers to slay the Jedi Masters (and any of their Padawans) [Survivors will engage the Jedi Kn.]
4500 Clone Troopers to slay the Jedi Knights (and any of their Padawans) [Survivors will engage Temple Security]
1700 Clone Troopers to slay the Younglings
800 Clone Troopers will destroy all equipment, ships, and weaponry the Jedi can use. They will also seal and
guard all ways to escape the temple.
Casualties: I would say that 1 Jedi Master= Will Kill 5 501st
1 Jedi Knight= Will Kill 3 501st
1 Padawan = Will Kill 1 501st
1 Security Guard= Will Kill 1 501st
Plus 200 Troopers are killed due to Jedi luck
With this statistic, the Clone Troopers get destroyed. However, since the 501st brought artilery, I believe they
will kill many Jedi.
I would say the Jedi win, but very few will survive.
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Well, they are unsuspecting so lets say before the Jedi can even react 20 padawans, 15 Knights and 10 Masters drop dead.
No way in hell. The Jedi Masters sense the malice of the CLone Troopers from when they first enter the temple and immediatly take charge, alerting all Jedi in the Temple that the Clones are attacking them.
The Clones enter the Temple guns blazing, but because the Jedi were warned early they are all ready, and they lose maybe 10 younglings and (Most likely not) a Padawan, before they slaughter at least 50-60 clones.
Then if each Master can deal with 5 Clones and each Knight can deal with 4 and each Padawan can deal with one then that's all the Clones dead. Now, I'm sure most of the Padawans can kill one Clone at least and some of the older, more esperienced ones could probably kill 2+. As for the Knights, maybe a couple would die trying to take 4 Clones out but most of them I could see taking at least 4 possibly more,
I would double everything you put their. If one youngling alone could take out 4 clones it should be easy as hell for a padawan to kill 8, and a Knight could probably take out 12, with a Master at 15.
First of all, even if you want to put the ratio at 6:1 - a thousand clone troopers together would be able to defeat Jedi younglings with ease. Training saber or not, they don't even know how to block blaster bolts coming from trained soldiers, the most they do is train with some remote droid that doesn't fire continuously, and has no tactical ability whatsoever. The clone troopers won't engage them in melee, and they'd be able to take out the younglings no problems.
That's a bit ridiculous to say the younglings will take out even near a thousand. Honestly, Jedi younglings cannot block blaster fire from multiple directions, they only know the basics of the basic Form I. Unless somehow Ashla is going to help:
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They don't cause much of a threat, if any. Clone troopers have grenades, and repeating ranged weaponry - things younglings have yet to even see, let alone defend against. I mean, a bunch of kids - most likely no older than six - killing trained clone troopers, that have fought in many battles and have tactics nailed down? Yeah, right.
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if i was heading the 501st i'd call in some one with a force sig like vader then i would go in cuz if u got vader or atleast a force signature similar to vader the jedi wouldn't be as alert
Just like the Coukcnil Members sensed Order 66 seconds before they died, right?
That one was Zett, who caught them off guard and also just happens to be GL's son. Most Padawans arn't that strong.
They have a chance at blocking them, Zett (yeah, I know he's an exceptional Padawan) blocked a few, the Youngling's could charge a trooper and while he'd kill 5 the sixth one'd get to him and cut him in 1/2 or the Youngling's could sneak up behind the Clones while their firing on the Jedi Masters and Knights and do some real damage.
On the contary, the Youngling's in the bear clan are 8 years old, so mostly not older than 6 is a dumb thing to say. And I think you highly underestimate the power of the Younglings, they blocked laser bolts from the remote Droids as good as ANH Luke did and he dropped how many Sotrm Troopers while on the Death Star?
Yes, Zett "Not a youngling" Jukassa blocked a few. And you yourself admit he's an exceptional padawan, so how does padawan correspond to youngling?
Anyways, because Zett "Padawan" Jukassa can block a few shots, the younglings can, too? Faulty logic, my friend.
And they'd die. You fail to realize it's not a single clone trooper per square mile. There's going to be hundreds of them packed together, or at least close by. To think the youngling can somehow dodge repeated blaster fire is outright ridiculous.
There's not just going to be a single clone trooper with no support around. So, why do you keep acting as if it's a singular battle? The ratio is 6:1, it's not a 6 on 1 battle, because there's going to be hundreds of soldiers.
And really, clone troopers have grenades. We've seen Clone troopers in packs kill Jedi knights, and such. How are younglings going to cause any real damage? Your estimates of 1,000 is ridiculous. That's really all there is to it. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to take out some, but a thousand is a joke.
Hint: There's thousands of soldiers. I doubt those thousands will just be facing towards Jedi Knights and masters alone, and not scanning the perimeter.
Wow, they are eight years old in the Bear Clan? Is that why Ashla - the six year old youngling - is in the Bear Clan?
Not at all. You overestimate them, and think they are some kind of "force to be reckoned with". They aren't. It's that simple.
Oh wow. Laser bolts that aren't even powerful enough to singe clothing. And remote droids don't fire continuously, and they don't have tactics. Also, show me where they have ten remote droids firing at them at one time. Oh? You can't? Great.
And the remote droids, as I've already explained, are shit compared to Clone troopers and their equipment.
With a lightsaber in ANH? None, because he didn't even use a lightsaber on the first Death Star. He used a blaster from when they arrived, and disguised themselves up until they took off.
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