I would have to give it to Kas'im. We know Yoda mastered the 7 forms of lightsaber combat, but there's no evidence of him mastering the double blade, and Jar'kai, so he wins.
Subject, you haven't even read it, that's just a guess. Now until at least a quote can be supplied, and it can be confirmed by another party, I'm not accepting it.
Yoda likely knows all the forums, what with his 850+ years of Jedi training, but whether he mastered all of them or not is questionable, as far as I know.
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Its a source. Doesn't matter that I haven't read it. I haven't seen Superman returns, doesn't mean I'm guessing that Clark Kent is in it. How bout you provide something saying that he doesn't know all 7 forms? Can't do it can you. I gave you a valid source, if you don't believe it, research it and find out. I haven't read the VD, but i know it says that Vader cant produce or repel Lightning with his mech hands...accept it.
What stupid logic. By your in genius logic Anakin shouldn't have moped the floor with Cin Darling who mastered 7 forms when Anakin only mastered about 2. The "he didn't master this form" logic is BS.
Cin Darling was all those except the best duelist of his respective order since there were more powerful people like Anakin, Dooku, Yoda around. No I wont shut because you want to give the character a hand job, Best duelist of the New Sith Order? Big Whoop, he was still below Kaan, and really the New Sith Order, the same order that promoted students to Sith Lords after months of training and just to "even numbers out" with the Jedi, as Bane said the darkside was spread to thin, these guys died like fodder and the majority of them sucked complete ass, being the the big fish in a small pond is nothing compared to the ocean of powerful force users in the PT, KOTOR, NJO. And really that alone does not compare him to Yoda the "Supreme avatar of light, greatest foe the darkness has ever know"
If I remember correctly, Drallig did master all seven forms. He at least had considerable knowledge of each, as he was the Jedi Order's chief lightsaber instructor (replacing Count Dooku), and yet he was beaten by Anakin - with one hand - while Anakin had his other hand wrapped around a Jedi's throat.
Mastering all seven doesn't exactly equate to sheer uberness, though it should on paper.
If Kas'Im was the perfect warrior, he wouldn't have died.
Anyways, Kas'Im doesn't seem to be able to contend with someone of Yoda's speed and agility - nor with Yoda's obviously superior Force powers.
Kas'Im might prove to be a challenge for the first round, but he goes down, hard, in the second, methinks.
Though, what methinks could be calculated as incorrect.
[QUOTE=7664525]Originally posted by Escape81
You can do better, dude.
ok and then you have Yoda who DID master all 7. So what are you getting at? We haven't seen any fighter in the SW universe that has mastered as much in lightsaber combat as Kas'im.
Perfect warrior has nothing to do with being killed by the force. Perfect warrior means hand to hand combat or in this case, lightsabers. And I'm not saying he's the best just because of the 7 forms. He's the best because he mastered more than Yoda, and was called the best.
How do you know? He and Bane demonstrated force speed during their battles on Korriban, so he HAS.
In a force fight I would say it could go either way Escape, but in a saber fight, there's just too much on Kas'im to NOT think he would beat Dooku.
Curious, DS, how you'd agree that Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever, and yet Kas'Im apparently can defeat him in all instances.
Read my statements again. Cin Drallig mastered all of the lightsaber forms, and yet, was defeated by Anakin with stupendous ease - while Anakin was busy killing another Jedi Knight.
Kas'Im mastering all seven lightsaber forms - or Yoda, for that matter - doesn't necessarily mean anything - when they confront a certain Force user.
Interesting. I always operated under the assumption that a "warrior" would be described as someone who uses all aspects of the Force (as well as their mind) to defeat an enemy. This would include Force attacks.
But, to each his own.
No need to get so defensive, DS.
But, I'm curious if Kas'Im has enough speed to (unarmed) evade three or four other extremely proficient duelists (one of which being Depa Billaba - who is equal to Mace in sheer swordsmanship) to the point where they could not even get close to him.
Notice how I NEVER said Kas'im would defeat Yoda in force combat. I believe he CAN defeat Yoda in saber combat because of his extensive saber knowledge that surpasses Yoda's, and how he was described.
He's described as the perfect warrior after his lightsaber feats are described, so the "perfect warrior" has to do with lightsaber combat according to the author.
Where did I get defensive? You didn't say anything that would make me get defensive.
like I said man, he has demonstrated force speed in a saber duel, so it's possible he could do this as well.
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Kas'Im gets dicked in every aspect of this fight. Yoda is out of his league. Kas'Im really isn't that good. He has done nothing, and, has one exaggerated quote to his name. Yoda is the Jedi. No way Kas'Im can beat him.
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