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Kol Skywalker vs. ROTS Yoda
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darthsith19
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Kol Skywalker vs. ROTS Yoda

Who would win between these great Jedi Masters? Both are Jedi Masters and Council Members, and are likely both #1 of their respective era's. Because not many people know who Kol is, this is what he did, in the first Legacy comic (hes' the Jedi with the blue blade):

It has been confirmed that he took out at least 7 Sith, possibly more. I personally go with Ko, though it's close. Yoda's very strong, and those Sith are for the most part fairly weak, and while I believe that Yoda could have taken out seven of them, I doubt he could take out 7, while fending off several others, quite as quickly as Kol did. Plus Kol was fighting Stormtroopers, too, see the pile stacking up under him?


And please don't just say Yoda cause you like him better.


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Yoda has this.

The entire Massacre on Ossus battle was already taken care of by myself, and AcStyles:

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[Query]: How good were any of those Sith? Indeed, it would seem that they're severely lacking in combative skill. If you recall:

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A fourteen year old padawan, Cade Skywalker, was able to seemingly effortlessly take down one of those Sith minions with a bare foot kick. In addition to that, he was able to slice his way through several of those lackeys with another padawan of the same age, even when outnumbered:

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One could only assume that they don't possess godly skill, and, at best, have training and ability comparative to that of youngling (like Ashla). And those scans are great, except for the fact you leave out several key elements that turn down the extraordinary volume of the feat, but don't worry; because as you can see, I've provided such.


Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from Kol's achievement, as it's undeniably remarkable, but based on that alone, he'll be able to take down Yoda? Yeah, right.


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A fourteen year old padawan, Cade Skywalker, was able to seemingly effortlessly take down one of those Sith minions with a bare foot kick. In addition to that, he was able to slice his way through several of those lackeys with another padawan of the same age, even when outnumbered:

But the one Sith that he took out with a kick was probably focused on Kol and didn't see Cade coming. That's a good point with Cade and the other Padawan getting through several Sith, though, I guess those Sith must be even waker than I though.
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One could only assume that they don't possess godly skill, and, at best, have training and ability comparative to that of youngling (like Ashla).

Only as strong as Ashla? That seems a little harsh, I doubt someone as strong as Ashla would ever become a Sith, they were likely a little stronger than that.
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Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from Kol's achievement, as it's undeniably remarkable, but based on that alone, he'll be able to take down Yoda? Yeah, right.

Hmm... how close do you think that it would be?


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Originally posted by darthsith19
But the one Sith that he took out with a kick was probably focused on Kol and didn't see Cade coming.


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Sure, he was, because he couldn't see a young boy flinging his foot around like the Karate Kid, even when to shadow kick him like he did, he would've had to see him beforehand, since Cade came from the front, and there was ample viewing room.


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That's a good point with Cade and the other Padawan getting through several Sith, though, I guess those Sith must be even waker than I though.


Of course.

I mean, they must possess some type of strength, but all in all, they really aren't of much worth. And the feat itself isn't nearly as impressive as the things we've seen Yoda accomplish.

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Only as strong as Ashla? That seems a little harsh, I doubt someone as strong as Ashla would ever become a Sith, they were likely a little stronger than that.


You know I was exaggerating.

It's obvious they aren't that unskilled, as she isn't even talented whatsoever. It's more alluding to the fact that they obviously do not possess any type of abilities above that of an average padawan, at best. In other words, they suck.

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Hmm... how close do you think that it would be?


It's hard to say, actually. We haven't seen the full capabilities of Kol, but what has been shown thus far, I definitely wouldn't even rank him remotely close to Yoda. Defeating Darth Nihl was impressive, to say the least, but an out of practice, minimally trained Cade Skywalker was able to hold him off, and defeat him (albeit; after Jariah shot him with a blaster [then again, it didn't have much effect]), and he also had lessened his force connection due to his abuse of deathsticks.

I'd go so far as to say that Yoda firmly wins, and that "Killer" Kol Skywalker doesn't stand much of a chance when looking at the battle on paper (as they should be).


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I think Yoda.

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Yoda.


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Yoda could easily replicate that feat.

If you'll remember, Sidious, Yoda's apparent equal with a blade, was able to run through Agen "I crushed Quinlan Vos" Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit "I destroy magnaguards with two swings" Fisto, all of whom were some of the "best swordsmen ever produced by the Order," without even focusing on them.

One hundred of those lackeys wouldn't stand a chance against Yoda.


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Kol hits the ground hard.


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I think that Kol puts up a valiant fight, but in the end loses.


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If you'll remember, Sidious, Yoda's apparent equal with a blade, was able to run through Agen "I crushed Quinlan Vos" Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit "I destroy magnaguards with two swings" Fisto, all of whom were some of the "best swordsmen ever produced by the Order," without even focusing on them.

That fight was riduculous, but what makes you say that Sidious wasn't concentrating on them? And no, Yoda couldn't take down 100 Sith, even weak Sith, at once, I sure hope you're exaggerating.


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Most of his attacks were directed towards Mace, that's what I meant by not concentrating on them.

And I'm not exaggerating. He just jumps headlong into them and takes them out one by one. Yoda could dodge attacks from three Jeid Masters (one was Depa, I think), without his lightsaber out and barely moving. If he stayed mobile he would just wade through them, and they wouldn't even be able to keep track of him.


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Most of his attacks were directed towards Mace, that's what I meant by not concentrating on them.

And I'm not exaggerating. He just jumps headlong into them and takes them out one by one. Yoda could dodge attacks from three Jeid Masters (one was Depa, I think), without his lightsaber out and barely moving. If he stayed mobile he would just wade through them, and they wouldn't even be able to keep track of him.

How can most of his attacks have been directed at Mace when he never attacked Mace until Agen and Saesee were already dead?

And how is Yoda supposed to pick them off one at a time and not die by a hudnred lighstabers striking at him at once? Dodging atatcks from 3 Jedi while not fighting back is far easier than dodging attacks from 100 Sith at once while taking them down, unless the Jedi are on NJO Luke's level. Did he barely move, I can't remember than, quote please?


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I don't have the quote, all apologies.

The point of wading into them is to cut down the advantages of numbers. It's something that Yoda himself taught Luke. I don't see how all 100 can attack him at once if he's moving faster than they can perceive and will only be next to a few at a time.


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I doubt if Kol could beat the old Jedi Master.


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I doubt if Kol could beat the old Jedi Master.
Agree.

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Here y'ar:

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I'll quote this passage of Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, found in chapter 30:

"Three members of the council - Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin, and Depa Billaba, excellent fighters - all had come forward and attacked him. Master Yoda had not been armed, and had not seemed to move more than a meter or so, his tread slow and measured. Nevertheless, none of the three had been able to lay a finger on him."

Darth Maul had longed to test his "true skill" against the "truly great Jedi warriors", and named Plo Koon, as one of them, alongside Mace Windu. Mace Windu has stated that Depa's bladework (in other words, her sheer talent; not including physical or mental attributes) surpassed his own. And finally, Saesee Tiin was noted as being "[one] of the greatest swordsmen [the] Order has ever produced".

The fact that Yoda was able to almost effortlessly dodge such attacks, which were in conjunction with each other speaks a vast amount for Yoda's maneuverability, and superiority over even the most powerful of Jedi.


Turns out Advent posted it conveniently right after I couldn't find it.


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It really doesn't mean much. It was a pre planned demonstration to the padawans, with the purpose of teaching them a lesson. Such things shouldn't be taken too seriously, now if Yoda did that in a real life situation, then he'd get mad man points, but he didn't, and there's no proof that he could.

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Yoda did do that. He was showing how the force helps in combat more than speed or technique.

Unless you think Yoda was lying to his students so that he would look badass. I doubt it.


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It really doesn't mean much. It was a pre planned demonstration to the padawans, with the purpose of teaching them a lesson. Such things shouldn't be taken too seriously, now if Yoda did that in a real life situation, then he'd get mad man points, but he didn't, and there's no proof that he could.


So what are you saying? That they practiced it over and over before hand so that Yoda would look l33t and that he could not do it in another situation?

Do you even think about what you say before you say them? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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So what are you saying? That they practiced it over and over before hand so that Yoda would look l33t and that he could not do it in another.

I'm sure that's not what he meant. He means no matter what Plo, Depa and Saesee wouldn't get any hits in on Yoda, even if they had an opportunity to, because it's a non-real combat situation - they weren't really trying to hurt Yoda. If, during the demonstration, one of them had an opportunity to hurt Yoda they still wouldn't be able to, because their not trying to hurt Yoda. That's the point of the demonstration, and what Apollo Cloud said made perfect sense. I believe that you are the one in need of thinking about what you say before you say them. no expression


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