We all know women suck at fighting...lol. I'm just kidding (kinda). Probably Ulic. Just the fact that Ulic kept up with Exar as well as he did is amaxing and I think puts him ahead of the Exile.
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Done before. Degenerated into a giant KOTOR hate fest. Well, KOTOR II hate fest with DS ranting and raving about how Nihilus sucks and beating him is no feat of the Exile's. Which it isn't anyway because Nihilus owned the Exile in a few seconds and could have killed her. And the Exile had it 3-on-1. And Nihilus was double-weakened and still winning.
But I digress.
Ulic has more feats. Stalemating Kun (well, I've heard they looked even) and didn't he do something with a mountain? Not sure on that part.
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Ulic pounds her into the ground with little effort.
The Exile's good at taking on spoiled "Sith" with issues, but she was damn near nothing without her Force connection. Ulic, even with his skills degenerated and his force connection severed, held off an angry, battle-ready Jedi.
That accomplishment alone should put him as one of if not the best lightsaber duelists to ever exist.
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Why do you put Sith in quotations? The Triumvirate, with the possible exception of Kreia, were as Sith as Exar or Ulic. The fact neither sought domination but merely destruction is not a factor to their "Sithood" in my opinion.
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If by held off you mean kept running away then you are correct.
One of, if not the best, because he was able to NOT get killed by a jedi while running away? Damn IKC... Damn. Would you like to quantify her dueling abilities then? He's very good and clearly a master swordsman, but to say he's definitely one of the best if not the best, because he could deflect blows while going backwards, is quite the stretch and one hell of an assumption.
At any rate, he curbstomps her in saber combat.
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If Ulic ran away, then so did Obi-Wan Kenobi. The circumstances are exactly the same, except Ulic was severed from the force and thus could not augment his speed, strength, or stamina, and did not have any sort of precognition.
Which means his skill with a lightsaber is damn near unparalleled. Thanks for playing.
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That's super. Except it makes absolutely no sense. Please, your disappearing act was much more amusing. Coming back here just to talk shit makes you look ridiculous.
Yes IKC, you are correct. Obiwan ran away, thank you for stating the obvious for those of us who didn't see the movie (anybody?). How good was Sylvar exactly? Your ridiculous assumption of Ulic being one of the best, if not the best ever, begs for actual proof.
Oh really IKC? Running away from an average Jedi makes him the greatest ever? That's hilarious. There's at LEAST 5 Jedi/sith who are superior to him in saber combat but because he was able to NOT get killed while fighting a Jedi, he's a saber god? By your logic of doing what nobody else was shown to do, Freedon Nadd is both a force god and a saber god because he conquered a backwater planet with the use of sith magic and his short lightsaber. Try again IKC..
Not to mention, your assertion that he could be the best lightsaber duelist to ever exist, doesn't even make sense, since Kun is superior to him already.
But because he was able to perform feat X without the use of the force makes him a saber god WITH the use of the force? Good one.
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To be fair, DS, Ulic was not even trying to hurt Sylvar, unlike Obi-Wan fighting Anakin, and he was bereft of the Force, making his defense still incredible. Very few Force users can hope to withstand a Jedi in direct combat. In The Approaching Storm, Luminara Unduli reflects that the two ways to overcome a Jedi in combat are through lulling them into a false sense of security or killing them with sheer numbes if you're not a Force-user.
Also, if you look at that duel between Ulic and Exar again, Ulic was injured - he had bandages wrapped around his ribs and stomach, so he is actually probably Exar's superior with a lightsaber. I think Exar might be the best saber wielder up to the PT. Bane or Kas'im could challegne him, though, as could Tulak Hord.
Clearly I have been lurking for a year and a half. It can't have been that I found something else to do in my spare time - which makes your constant presence here all the more hilarious. What account is this, your third or fourth?
No, he didn't, and neither did Ulic. Both of them were yielding ground while defending themselves from their opponent's blows.
I made the statement to draw a parallel.
Good enough to get an angered scratch in on a pre-Sith Exar Kun, which is no easy feat considering how shortly later he thrashed Vodo.
Largely irrelevant, really, since she had access to and was trained with the Force and he did not.
Your habit of "begging" for proof is one of the most amusing means of trolling I've seen, considering your total ignorance of source material.
Fact is, Ulic's accomplishment is unmatched.
An "average Jedi" is your biased assumption.
"Running away" (which he clearly didn't do), is your completely biased interpretation of what you've read about material you've never read.
Such as?
I can only name one for certain: Exar Kun, who stalemated him when he had the Force. At that point, you should know, Ulic was at or very near the peak of his power, especially considering that we don't see evidence of growth during the Sith War. Afterwards, Kun goes on to become considerably more powerful and skilled with his blade, especially after he crafts the unique weapon.
Without access to the Force? Of course he is. It's a feat that should be impossible.
I would argue that Freedon Nadd is up there, yes. With extrapolation we can assume that several other entities (Kun, Sadow, Ragnos, et al) are capable of the same thing.
Because of Ulic's unique scenario, we cannot do the same for others besides Exar Kun. No combatant has matched this.
If you weren't a halfwit you'd realize that a combatant with use of the Force would have tremendous advantages over one without access to it.
Since we are speaking about the same entity, as I pointed out above it is reasonable to interpret the DLotS/Sith War Ulic as Ulic at his top form. There is not a chance nor is there evidence that his skills have done anything but deteriorate from the events at the end of the Sith War to those of Redemption.
In other words, no matter how good the Ulic of Redemption is, he was exponentially better during DLotS and TSW.
Neither dialogue nor narration indicates that said injury (which was by then weeks old) hampered Ulic during the fight, nor during the events of the Sith War. Indeed, the injury is not mentioned when he fights Mandalore, nor when he assaults Coruscant. It's shown briefly before his trial and it's finally mentioned before he kills his brother.
That and, as stated above, Exar got much better after this fight.
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1. prove that it was weeks old.
2. The dialogue doesn't mention it, yes, but if you are injured enough that you are forced to wear bandages, it will affect you in a fight.
3. He fights Mandalore when again? Before fighting Exar? Then he could have received the injury after the fight with Mandalore, or he was good enough to beat Mandalore despite the injury. It doesn't change the fact that he was injured when he fought Exar.
4. Prove that Exar's saber skills increased greatly after the fight.
First actually. But please, make yourself look dumber.
Oh really? I believe the idea of a sparring match doesn't involve claws. That doesn't have ANY bearing on her lightsaber abilities, but thanks for pointing out the constant irrelevance in your posts.
Actually is is relevant, because if you're going to make a ridiculous claim such as Ulic possibly being the greatest duelest ever, you'd have to do it with more than that feat.
You post, I respond, you start talking shit. You're right. You HAVE no idea what the term troll means.
Wonderful... So is Nadd's. So is Nihilus'. They must be g0ds, right IKC?
LOL.. Look who's talking about bias. An average Jedi is what she is shown to be. If you believe it otherwise, prove up. Unfortunately for you, I have the material involving Sylvar (despite your hilarious belief that I don't), and sylvar doesn't do anything impressive.
By constantly claiming that I don't have material, you are making yourself appear dumber in every post. Even if I DIDNT have the material (which I do), I could always find Redemption at SWTimeline.
And practices with it for how long exactly? Yet again, your assumption that Ulic could be the best ever because he didn't get killed in a lightsaber duel by a force user, is not only hilarious but ridiculous as well.
Except you don't know what Sadow is capable of, other than chucking a brick and creating illusions. We know Ragnos was powerful but we don't know what he was capable of.
If you weren't a halfwit you wouldn't make a ridiculous assertion such as Ulic being the best because he retreated and didn't get killed by a force user.
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