Sorry if this exact fight has been done before but I'm a noob to the forums and looking through ALL of the fights is just a little too much of a task right now.
Anyway, the fight is the four most powerful Jedi from the Clone Wars versus the four most powerful (known) Sith from the Old Republic. The fight is all out between sabers and Force skills and there are no restrictions save one. Nihilus' drain game is fun for all to be sure. And we could argue alllllll day about whether his opponents would be powerful enough to stop it or not. So for argument's sake I'm declaring right now that he can't use it. We don't know enough about it at all. Does it work on everyone except the Exile? Does it not work on the Exile because she was severed from the Force? One-shot fights are no fun anyway.
Okay, so you can have them fighting whoever you want to but I would assume Yoda would fight Nihilus, Mace would fight Revan, Obi-Wan would fight Malak, and Anakin would fight Sion. Just my opinion but you guys can do whatever you want to. Have fun XD
Oh and P.S. This is every one of them at their strongest. Jedi from ROTS...Revan and Malak from the end of KOTOR...Nihilus and Sion from the end of KOTOR II.
Jedi take this if it's ROTS anakin. mace takes revan due to vapaad. yoda beats nihilus because nihilus has no notable saber feats. and anakin should be able to beat sion. kenobi beats malak.
Three of the most powerful Jedi of the most powerful generation of any Jedi accompanied by the master of defensive lightsaber fighting VS. The Captains of Ambiguity.
Nuh-Uh.
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By Old Republic, I was referring to KOTOR timeframe Old Republic. I guess I should have specified. Though still, the only one I see coming close to matching Revan or Nihilus' strength is Bane. Sion can't die until he wants to - or you obliterate it his every cell so he can't regenerate and Malak... Okay, well Malak is far from the strongest but you catch the general idea.
I agree though Bayhunter. And it it s ROTS Anakin.
Oh and by the way Nemesis, you should explain something further than just saying "Wrong." It doesn't help to validate your statement.
I hear that a lot Lucien. I realize that the games give little to go on for the EXACT power levels of the Force Users but it isn't so bad as to say no one can ever argue their strength. It DOES give feats (Nihilus pulling his battleship out of the Mass Shadow Generator, Revan defeating countless foes in lightsaber combat, etc...)
Some of the members here make it seem like just because it wasn't in a book or movie that the levels of power can't possibly be justified as accurate. Why? I'm just failing to understand why everyone seems so reluctant to debate game characters... Kyle Katarn started off in a game and look where he is. lol
Had I tried to validate the statement then this might have been a valid point. As it is you just look silly.
Here is 'validation': You asserted that Revan, Malak, Nihilus, and Sion were knowns. They are not. Malak certainly isn't, Revan is not, nor is Sion. While the KotOR comics might change this, at this point we do not know enough to use these characters (especially Malak and Sion) in VS. battles. N. is the only one I'd feel comfortable using at all.
The problem is that we know so little about them. The only measure we have to evaluate them is subjective, non-canon gameplay. (Revan is the worst, if only because of the volume of ambiguous feats to his name.)
The trouble is, how powerful were these countless foes? Were they really, really good? Or were they just crappy and mediocre? Or some level in between? How powerful was Yusanis, or Mandalore, or Malak? Just how good were they if you were to compare them, to say, Anakin Skywalker?
THAT'S what we don't know. We know they did stuff just not the manner in which they did it, or how difficult it was for them. You get morons and fanboys like S_W_Legend and Kotor3 arguing that being charismatic or winning a war is somehow an accurate gauge of one's specific and detailed abilities in regards to lightsaber combat or telekinesis. They're not. That's why books and guides are brilliant, they tell us HOW much trouble they had, WHAT they actual did, WHY they did it. They detail to us reaction times, saber styles, levels of knowledge and power.
KotOR has NONE of those things, and it's the absence of such canonical details that render it's characters as Unknowns, something several simpletons in here don't understand.
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Okay, I'm going to try and redirect all of this self-appointed hatred away from myself, lol.
So Revan didn't defeat anyone in lightsaber combat? Who are you in the game then? Malak especially since you fight him ALONE. It's stated numerous times he defeated Madalore the Ultimate. It may have been unarmed combat but he probably used a lightsaber. Either way, notable feat. Revan defeating the leader of well...basically the Spartans of the Star Wars universe is giving a lot of steam to his combat prowess.
The Kyle Katarn thing was meant to be a joke hence the lol.
What would be a valid point? Me telling you to say more than wrong? Okay, then do it from now on. Anyway, to validate something is to authenticate it. To authenticate something is to prove its certainty. Saying "wong" means nothing and is worth nothing toward your point. You didn't prove or confirm anything.
Anyway, about the gameplay... There is some level of canon to all games and when they are made into books or comic books, this proves to be true. All of Starkiller's and Kyle's powers are maintained from their games to their respective book adaptations. This would obviously be true for Revan as well.
Anyway, let me get back on target here. I hate it when these threads turn into a giant pointless debate so far diverged from the actual topic that they become mindless dribble. ASSUMING ALL of the Sith have their abilities (save Nihilus' brain drain) that they had in their games and defeated ALL of their opponents respectively, and even that ALL of the stories about them were true. Who would win now?
I'm sorry if I'm making enemies already on this board. I'm seriously not meaning to. Lol, it's only my second day. I'd like to avoid the hate mail until at least my third day. But anyway, I'm to blame for this thread getting off subject anyway so...
I completely agree with you Lucien. We don't KNOW for certain how powerful any of the characters are in comparison to the more recent Jedi. But I wanted that to be the point of this versus thread. I mean, we don't really know how strong Plo Koon is to Ben Skywalker either but we'll still do the fight.
All we have to go on is what we know from the character's backgrounds: their triumphs, their failures, whatever. Just because they're from a game doesn't make them any worse than if they were from the movie. Movie characters are just easier to decipher.
I realize it's laid out for you in books and guides but use your imagination. These are just opinions. They don't have to be right. You won't be stoned if you're not. Personally, I place Revan just below Dooku and Mace. Malak, way further down. That's just me.
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Becasue they never met, yes. But characters like these are given detailed accounts as to what they can do. They also are compared to, and interact with, characters who meet characters. Get me?
All we have to go on is what we know from the character's backgrounds: their triumphs, their failures, whatever. Just because they're from a game doesn't make them any worse than if they were from the movie. Movie characters are just easier to decipher. [/B][/QUOTE] Much, much more so, given the level of details and story surrounding them.
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I understand and that's fine. If you want to debate it you can and if not, you don't have to. For those who do though, just express your personal opinions. Use your imaginations.
If Sion can't die, then how does the jedi team take this? In terms of sheer skill, I think team 1 has it, but being invincible sure counts for something.
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I was just thinking that, that is his only feat. Looking like a burntout woodfire.
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No one hates you. Being a brand new member, i'm not surprised that you haven't thought this one through before.
It can't be proven that he used a lightsaber to kill a single opponent. Mines, grenades, blasters, all of these and more could have been used.
First, there is no proof that Revan used a lightsaber, only that he defeated him. Second, how do you know Malak was powerful?
We have no way of proving how competent Mandalore was in combat.
Prove it.
We have no idea how this fight went. Perhaps Revan was taking instant-heal med packs all the way through the fight? Perhaps Revan went into stealth mode, and snuck around laying mines all the way around Mandalore? That is something that he would never be able to do against a force sensitive. Maybe Mandalore accidently stabbed himself? The point is, we just can't know.
k. Then maybe you would like to present an actual example where we allow someone without a single verifiable achievement to be used in a versus forum?
Which you can't do with KOTOR characters.
You put three unknowns as some of the most powerful sith in the history of the galaxy. Nemesis hardly has to prove anything to say that statement was wrong.
True, and the second this happens for KOTOR, we can use Revan in any thread you want. I would never argue with you in that instance.
Not so much. Look at it this way. In Jedi Knight, I killed Desann with a lightning blast. I force-choked Tavion and threw her over the edge of the chasm where they fought. This did not make these fight outcomes necessarily true. Now i don't think JK 3 was actually made into a book? But if it was, the manner in which i killed Tavion or Desann might have been contradicted. Kyle might have done it with a lightsaber. He might have done it with a blaster or explosives. We just don't know. So we can't put Kyle's lightsaber skills as better than Desann's if Kyle walked up behind Desann and shot him in the head. Does this make sense? Same works for Revan. Maybe Revan used explosives to win every fight. If so, great, its still an accomplishment, but its kinda hard to say that Revan is a better lightsaber duelist than.... ANYONE if he never won a fight with one.
How would you even know?
You still haven't answered a question for me: How did Revan kill his opponents? And what opponents did Nihilus kill without his drain? And what opponents did Sion kill?
Assuming all the things you want us to assume still leaves us with zero information to debate combat.
No one is making you an enemy. Learn. Be open to logic. Don't stubbornly cling to your original viewpoint simply because you want it to be true.
Listen to me, listen. I abandon this argument okay? Like I said, if you do want to debate the ACTUAL fight than you can do so. If not, then don't. It's simple. Draw from all of the canon source you can and when that's exhausted (and obviously it will be) use your imaginations. If you don't want to then don't post. This is simple.
If you want me to admit I was wrong then I'm wrong fine. But don't argue about THIS anymore. I'm interested to see what people think if they WERE to fight. What they THINK, not necessarily what would happen. XD
I really hope this is the last time I have to say this, lol.
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