I'd have to say Sidious' team because Sidious and Plagueis are stronger than everyone but Vitiate.
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DE Sidious is an overkill…. RotS Sidious would be enough.
Vitiates is arguably about equal in the Force power to RotS Sidious, with rivaling, if not exceeding, mind-domination powers. But there are two words that must be spelled out: preparation and ritual. Vitiate relied heavily on both. In combat on neutral ground it will not suffice.
Saber-wise, no contest, Sidious takes it. In a combat scenario this would be a major advantage.
Sidious is canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord up to the time of RotS….
Plagueis has feats that also put him in top tier, if not top 5. Combat wise he seems to surpass Vitiate.
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It is funny that people are underestimating Vitiate's dark side powers.
- What if Vitiate succeeds in mind-raping everybody?
- What if Vitiate destroys bodies of his opponents with his FL abilities?
- What if Vitiate employs Sith Sorcery to confuse or harm opponents during combat?
Vitiate have purged entire Dark Councils and defeated whole Strike Teams with his powers. It is stupid to cast his competencies aside with foolish assumptions that Sidious and Plagueis won't get hurt or loose their bodies after enduring extremely potent attacks.
Revan is also a very potent threat. With his Force powers, he can put significant pressue within the ranks of Sidious' team. Heck, Malak aboard Star Forge was also a very competent foe.
Dooku has nothing on these guys; seriously stop this blind Dooku wanking.
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Yeah, that won't be happening. Setting aside the oft reiterated fact that Vitiate won't be able to subjugate his enemies with any meaningful speed, Sidious has "mindhaxxed" Starkiller, Luke, and Kam Solusar as well as billions of inhabitants from Byss and Coruscant. Who's to say he won't be delivering the mind rape?
He didn't 'mindhaxx' Starkiller, he slightly compelled him to kill Vader. Starkiller wasn't under his control and it was shattered as soon as Kota spoke. Luke he only 'mindcontrolled' after defeating and torturing him and its very ambiguous if thats actually what he did. I dunno about Kam, show the evidence.
And obviously Byss was over several years and through probably ritualistic means.
The effect was described as "hypnotic suggestion" and "ghastly charisma" that "mesmerized" Starkiller. When Kota interfered and drew Palpatine's attention, Bail Organa's plea shattered "the Emperor's influence," which slid "off [Starkiller] like oil."
Not seeing where Vitiate's version, after a millennium of study and munching on eight thousand Sith Lords, is any better.
Probably. But then, so too are Vitiate's.
Reference ambiguity and probability (or possibilities, for that matter), and I can bury all of Vitiate's highest showings in such things.
Which brings me back to the point I made elsewhere: Sidious dominates, no matter how you slice it.
You're not sure how Vitiate's munching of 8,000 force using sith lords within a week or two is better than a gradual mind wipe of Byss' inhabitants? Hmmm
Vitiate's leeching of Nathema required the participation of those 8k Sith Lords. Sidious enslaved and devoured a population 2.5 million times greater than those eight thousand. Sidious's feat is exponentially greater.
Sidious required decades for his "ritual", which didn't really do much for his "immortality", whereas Vitiate's 10 day long ritual granted him immortality. Vitiate's feat is more impressive.
Do you have a source for 'decades'? Byss and the Deep Core does not attribute an exact time measurement.
Do you have a source that he sought immortality from this experiment? Because The Book of Sith simply says he was collecting an energy pool from Byss for alchemical experiments.
If Sidious were intending to use it to achieve immortality, I might be inclined to agree. But the goal in this case is inconsequential. Sidious's efforts were more impressive in their scale and scope.
Since we don't know what "goals" Sidious had and since the inhabitants of Byss apparently lived out their lives fine, whether it was in a perpetual state of a valium induced high or not, it's not the same thing as getting the life sucked out of you, or destroying a planet and achieving immortality.
Feb 21st, 2013 02:18 AM
