Okay here we go, this topic is a versus battle between Obi-Wan Kenobi and Depa Biliba. In my post, I will rank the folowing characters: Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Qui-Gon Jinn, General Greivous, and of course Obi-Wan Kenobi and Depa Billaba. I based all of my rankings off facts, so lets get started!
First, we will discuss Depa Billiba. She was a Jedi Master trained by Mace Windu, who fell to the darkside during a mission to Haruun Kal. When she dueled Windu, is should be noted that she gaining most of our power from the fear of the citizens, due to the fact that there were vulture droids attacking them, something she is unable to achieve in this duel. As they faught, Mace was being defeated, but it should be noted two things, he was tired already from the battle, he didn't truely want to kill Depa, because he loved her as a daughter. Mace tricked Depa into destroying the droids, causing her to realize her defeat shortly afterwards. When she dueled Windu with the support of fear, she managed to get 3 hits, and was actually "beating" Mace, causing him to continue to pull back. Mace Windu himself spoke that Depa's bladework surpassed his own and nearly suffered defeat, until he released what was increasing her power.
Still, Depa did a very great job against Mace, who is known to be one of the best Jedi of all time. If we put Mace at the 100% mark, he would be around 80-85% of his full power while fighting Depa. Since throughout his stay on Haruun Kal, Windu was often attacked, beaten, and injured by a variety of opponents. Knowing Depa was unable to beat Mace, but came close, I think 75% is a good marking, assuming she is gaining power from fear. If not, possibly 70%. Kar Vastor had forged a powerful Force-bond encompassing himself, the Akk Guards, and Depa Billaba. Giving Depa another source of strength. Perhaps lowering her percent even more, but we will avoid that. Out of all, Depa did quite well against Mace, but she had many advantages that tiped the battle into her favor...
Now, we will discuss Obi-Wan Kenobi, who I believe wins this fight. This is why I believe this. First, let's figure out how powerful Qui-Gon Jinn was. According to many, he was equal to Mace Windu in his prime, but Mace was probably not in his prime then. Or he could be possibly, due to the fact that Dooku was also on pair with both of them as well during that period. With a estimate, I think it's safe to say that Mace back when Qui-Gon was prime, was about 95% of his power that was shown in the movies. It is also said that Qui-Gon got weaker over time, so his 95% is decreased to probably a 80-85%. Even though, he was still able to duel evenly with the Sith Lord, Darth Maul, who was able to nearly destroy the Black Sun. Obi-Wan Kenobi also dueled evenly with Maul for quite an extent, making him not that far behind them a a early age.
Now, onto Dooku vs Kenobi. It should be noted and stabled into your brains, that Kenobi was very weak against telekenisis. Which is why he was defeated so easily by Dooku. In a fight against Depa, I doubt she will use a telekenis attack strong enough to tip the side entirely into her favor, like Dooku did. It should aslo be noted that Kenobi basically never uses force in combat, but as we see in Episode 3, he was able to hold his own against The Chosen One's power. This means alot, its not, "just a force push". I don't know many individuals who can do this, or even to an extent, but Kenobi was able to. No, Kenobi's force ability do not even Skywalker's, but they are darn close. However, since neither will use force in the battle, we should take that out of the equation.
Now, its all down to lightsabers, were I think the victor is obvious. But if it's not for you, let me explain my logic. Kenobi was able to duel evenly with Darth Maul and Savage Opress at the same time, something I doubt many can do. Not even that, but as a padawan he did super good against Maul, and even defeated General Grievous, who killed 100s of Jedi. Many who argue Depa was on the Council means nothing, because Greivous has killed Council Members...and there are members on the council like Poof...Grievous even dueled evenly with Mace Windu in the "Labyrith of Evil." Mace was only able to be victorious by a simple force push out of the ship they were dueling in. Grievous showed incredible lightsaber feats, something Obi-Wan was not only able to rival, but to conquer it in a time shorter then a minute.
He was also able to duel evenly with Anakin Skywalker as a Sith Lord in Mustafar..and actually beat him by not allowing him to penetrate his defenses. With the defense Kenobi has, it will be hard to lay a mark. Depa also uses Vaapad, which is worthless against a Jedi Master, therefore she gets zero advantages in this. Kenobi has a old man was even able to duel Darth Vader to an extent as well. With the fact that Depa will not be able to use the powers she did against Mace and the fact that Kenobi's defense is so great...I declare Obi-Wan the winner in a average fight.
Last edited by Jaggarath on Mar 20th, 2013 at 09:33 PM
Sounds about right. Though Obi-Wan was not even with Maul and Opress. His victory was extremely circumstantial. In a battle on fair ground, I highly doubt that Kenobi would come out victorious.
I actually don't know, I don't really know a lot about Vaapad but on Wookieepedia it states, "Vaapad was described as more than a fighting style; it was a state of mind that led to the penumbra of the dark side, requiring the user to enjoy the fight, and relish the satisfaction of winning. The practioner of Vaapad would accept the fury of their opponent transforming them into one half of a superconducting loop, with the other half being the power of darkness inherent in the opponent."
So, with that being said, I think your right.
__________________ Every moment and every event of every man's life on earth plants something in his soul.
- Thomas Merton
His blade whirred through the air. Hers whirred faster. She advanced.
And with each stroke of her blade, he could feel himself slipping into the shadows. He had to. She was too strong, too fast, too everything. The only way he could survive was to give more of himself to Vaapad. To give all of himself.
We've got some enthusiastic denial, here.
Fact is, Depa's Vapaad bridged a gap between her attributes and Mace's, which was why Mace couldn't defend against the impaling and all the cuts she gave him.
A Vapaadless-AotC Mace could defeat Kenobi in a very close duel, and this same Mace didn't have the capability to simply block and evade her attacks.
She was gaining some of her powerful from the bond Mace's brother gave her, and the power she was gaining from the fear of her citizen. Also include the fact Mace was injuired and didnt want to kill her...Kenobi wins
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Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Depa Billaba
Mar 20th, 2013 09:21 PM
I said it would be useless because well Kenobi ain't turning Dark, so Depa doesn't get that dark power....so yea lol :P
