*Zonakin does not equal Mortakin
**In order to avoid the "Did Sidious throw the fight" debates, just state your assumption flat out when posting you decision.
Yeah, pretty sure the original team wins, maybe easily. Zonakin is just that good. Its one of those unbeatable force imbued moments that can only be created by literature. Obi wan has a few, ghanner rhysode has one, luke has been given quite a few. They are rudiculous, but canon, and by specifying zonakin, you make him pretty unbeatable.
Zonakin isn't pull potential Anakin. I don't think he could take either Sidious or Yoda.
I think Kun is the strongest on the main team.
Sidious and Yoda both outclass any individual on the strike team.
I think what makes this pretty even, is that the numbers and quality of the strike team eventually takes a toll on them.
Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it. I'm not sure if Kun is the strongest on the main team. I think Kun outclasses Dooku, but I'm not sure if he can make him a joke like Zonakin did. Either way, I'm not convinced that Zonakin is stronger than than Sidious or Yoda.
Zoneakin can hold off Yoda or Sidious long enough for Exar and Dooku to flatten either of the duo. Yoda and Sidious are all above people like Mace, Exar, and Dooku, but a pair of them is far too much.
With that many people attacking them, and characters Exar Kun, Zonakin and Plagueis, they get worn down quickly and lose. Exar Kun is dangerous to the team because of his mastery of esoteric abilities that, if the Jedi Academy trilogy is any indication (the entire order struggles against his spirit), far exceed those of the team's normal adversaries. Although Yoda has had dealings with beings just as mastered in arcane Force abilities like Rell, and Sidious has met Mother Talzin. I'd say all in all team one messes up and Zonakin at least does enough damage to ensure they don't make it past Plagueis, if they get that far.
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Dooku on his own is a threat to Yoda and Sids although they would likely beat him eventually. Zonakin is technically Anakin tapping his potential which means he spikes higher than Yoda or Sids and then you add in Kun who can rain down shit from the back row.... GG.
Is there evidence that indicates that Anakin was actually tapping into his full potential rather than tapping into the darkside? I don't own the book, but here are some of the quotes I could find about the battle between Anakin and Dooku:
Pages 76 - 79
It seems like Palpatine goaded Anakin just like he tried to goad Luke, except this time, he was successful. Was Luke "in the zone" when he started wailing on Vader or was he falling to the darkside?
Anyways, if the consensus is that Zonakin == full potential Anakin, then let's replace him with EmoSithAkin.
Is that from the novel or a fanfic? It reads like the latter, and I forget how stupidly out of touch the novel was with the film. Kit Fisto on mah desk indeed.
I don't care for the horrible inconsistencies between the RotS novel and the movie (far worse than any of the novelizations excepting TPM) and it became a bias-weapon during the height of Anakin wanking, so I don't like it for that reason either.
Stover is a good author, but he should have passed on this one. It didn't help that he was, IIRC, given a copy of the script which predates the film release. You know, the one where Dooku was deliberately baiting Anakin instead of stomping?
And Yoda has limited stamina while Sidious struggling against Mace and Yoda indiicates he isn't well above either. Plus neither have worked together and their ability to mesh would be tenious at best. Thus Yoda would either have to work around Sidious or vice versa but they wouldn't be speed blitzing. In fact in the mythos power duels usually favor the single combatant, since the lack of utter cohesion lprevents a direct stacking of strength. Case in point, Maul, Dooku, Etc. I can't think of a subversion to this rule.
Either Yoda or Sidious is above anybody on the team though... Which feats of Kun and Dooku beating somebody on the level of Yoda or Sidious back up your claim that they can hang with them or awhile? Dooku kinda hung with Yoda... but in both instances it was made clear Yoda was his clear superior and Dooku fled after a brief affair. Not very convincing. So who did Kun beat or stalemate on their level again?
Nov 16th, 2013 07:22 PM
