Count Dooku and Mace Windu Vs Darth Sion and Meetra Surik(The Exile)
Darth Sion a unstoppable force of power and ferocity, who learned how to survive the most painful of attacks by calling on his anger pain and hatred, a powerful and aggressive Sith lord Sion showed his power when he took on the Jedi Exile on Korriban and later on Malachor where the exile would of lost had she not used Dun Moch and eroded his will
Abilities. there really isn't much on sion - force wise anyways - besides his immortality technique and some knowledge of dark healing which isn't much.
Form.Given the fact that he was able to fight Meetra Surik on even grounds(despite her being able to learn her opponents style by simply observing them) and his surviving not only the downfall of Exar Kun's empire but also Revans empire(with latter's empire going on to kill eachother, the fact that he survived Korriban while impressive is to be expected) given his aggressive personality and many years of experienced( a la Darth bane) I believe we can safely assume Sion had Some if not a lot of knowledge in the Juyo form and knew Makashi to some extent(which was quite common during his era)
Meetra Surik. a powerful jedi whose effort helped bring back the jedi order and the republic from the brink of extinction, as a young jedi she followed her best friend Revan's(whom she considered her brother)path and fought along side him on various occasions, her love and loyalty to Revan where so strong that he when ordered that the Mass Shadow generator be activated she did so without question, after the destruction of malachor the echo was so strong that she had to cut her self of from the force in order to survive, she would later go on to defeat the Sith Triumvirate and save various planets from the sith. after the defeat of Darth Traya, she later traveled to the unknown regions in order to rescue revan and defeat the sith emperor Vitiate who held him captive.
Abilities. A powerful jedi master who during her return from exile would go on to learn various techniques from both the gray jedi Kreia and her companions, such techniques include- Battle precognition, Two different forms of meditations from both Mical(the disciple) and her droid T3-M4, and how to become slightly resistant of force powers from Atton rand. as a force user Meetra was highly talented and many force powers including but not limited to, Force whirlwind, Force Valor, Force Resistance, Battle meditation and even rare techniques like Breath Control and Beast Trick.
Form. Meetra was highly proficient in Shii-Cho, Makashi and Soresu and was able to show her lightsaber prowess when she defeated Darth Sion, Darth Nihilius, Atris(a Juyo user) and Darth traya who I would assume preferred Niman. despite all that however, Meetra had a special gift that allowed her to learn her opponents form by simply observing them and later applying in the form like an expert
Count Dooku. a powerful jedi master turned Sith Lord who became the leader of Separatist droid army after he joined the dark lord Sidious, as the dark lord Tyranus he not only demonstrated his light-saber prowess when he took on Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker, Yoda and various other jedi masters and apprentices but also his brilliant role as a tactician for the Separatist army.
Abilities. Dooku was highly proficient at telekinesis often times used it as means of flight, he also had knowledge of Force Choke and was highly skilled in Force Lighting having demonstrated his skill in it various times, he also knew the rare Beast Trick technique and was even able to bend the will of a krayt dragon
Form. While Dooku was a Master of Makashi, by the end of his career as a jedi there was little he didn't about the lightsaber froms(the only form he didn't know was dun moch) and even had enough know how of the forms to teach grievous all the form, despite that he heavily relied on Makashi which was only effective against jedi and while he was knowledgeable of all forms he never really mastered any other from besides Makashi.
Mace Windu. a powerful Jedi master second only to the grand-master Yoda, was a Jedi general that lead the republic to victory on many occasions(one time he alone took on an entire platoon of droids on dantooine?) and was able to fight Sidious on even ground(although he had to use vaapad to its fullest extent) before Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side and killed him
Abilities Mace Windu was a powerful jedi who - thanks in no small part to his form Vaapad - was able to use the darkest powers of either the darkside and lightside his powers include, Force Wave, Force Grip, Force Crush, Force Speed and was highly proficient in telekinesis.
Form. Windu was a master of all seven forms and was counted among one of greatest duelist of his time, not only was he a great lightsaber duelist but he was also a great martial artist(as demonstrated on dantooine) but he also created his own Lightsaber form which was like juyo but with a few exceptions, to learn the form he created - Vaapad - the learner had willingly embrace the dark-side(but not fall) and the thrill of battle, his form was so near the dark side, that the only people he taught it to eventually fell to the dark side.
Four of the greatest Jedi and Sith fighting each-other at their peek of power. who would win? and why would they win?
If I can kinda go off topic for little, I can honestly say I thought it was bullshit that Dooku was killed by Anakin.
any way I don't think Team PT wins at all, atleast not without trouble, remember Meetra Surik can learn a form by simply observing her opponent so I highly doubt Mace just 'Stomps' Meetra, and while Dooku may be an incredible duelist and a master of Makashi he didn't stand against Anakin's Djem So when he gave in to his rage how do you think he'd fair against Sion's more aggressive Juyo not to mention Sion is a ferocious, aggressive and a powerful lightsaber combatant, im not saying team EU 'stomps' them im just stating a few thing to make the debate a bit fair
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Dooku and Windu are superior duelists to either of their opponents. With this in mind I'm very interested to see how Windu's shatterpoint would affect Sion's ability to hold his body together. I say Windu and Dooku take this one.
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True. Don't think I don't realize that. But it's overwhelming the support Mace and Dooku are getting over Sion and Meetra. Let's not forget that Meetra is a ridiculously experienced combatant as is Sion, both having fought numerous Jedi/Sith.
Master Zez-Kai-Ell: You must have noticed as you've fought across all these planets, killing hundreds — only to become more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?
They are not talentless feebs, and Sion has a unique ability to tank punishment, which means he can very easily step inside of the guard of Dooku or Mace and maim or kill, assuming they have no real understanding of his condition. Shatterpoint is never a guaranteed win, and Vaapad won't work against Meetra. Meetra meanwhile is a bonafide badass and master of all of the lightsaber forms.
I'm not claiming absolute victory here, but at least recognize it's not a stomp in favor of the PT.
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I never claimed Shatterpoint as an instant win. What I'm saying is that Windu may be able to use it as a finishing move to ensure Sion doesn't get back up.
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For once I agree...it won't be an easy stump for team 1...hmmm...betrayl I feel...
Sion vs Mace
Dooku vs Meetra
Meetra is a great Jedi Master....she takes Dooku in either Sabers or the Force....
She was also caught off guard by Scourge.If Sion catches her off guard,
then its a Triple threat...my bad handicap match 2 on 1.....
Shatter point won't win everytime....just show him the spot to hit and London bridge comes
tumbling down....like his will...or his faith in the darkside....what's the word I'm looking for...
Dun Moch. It can backfire on the user...Dooku and Vader were victims of this back fire ...
In another situation where they take out Sion,Meetra takes out Dooku instead of Mace...
(attachment)thing....friendship and all that imo...then Mace is left to fight Meetra.
Juyo was complete back then....
It was rumored to have been created by the time of the first Jedi purge....
Meetra might take this,imo........
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As I mentioned on my Interesting Fighting Styles thread, I don't think Juyo was incomplete in terms of move set and combat performance, but rather incomplete in the sense that Jedi couldn't manage it that well without being drawn to the dark side. In any case, Windu essentially perfected and completed form VII by creating Vaapad. I also don't think Juyo's incompletion was a result of lost information, but rather underdevelopment considering how it didn't fit in very well with Jedi philosophy.
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While I respect your opinion on Juyo I highly disagree with it no offense I just find it hard to believe that a light-saber form would be underdeveloped in a age where lightsaber duels were quite common. however I do agree with you on the Jedi not being able to use Juyo properly due to them having to control themselves which I believe holds them back from achieving Juyo's true potential, however if you are referring to Meetra not being able to use Juyo properly, I would have to disagree, for two reasons, #1. Meetra(The Exile) is by no means a 'Jedi'' or a 'Sith' atleast not any more, remember during her exile she had forsaken all of the Jedi order's tenets accept for one, No attachments, which means she isn't bound by rules of the order.
#2. During the Great Jedi purge she was hunted by the Sith who showed her no mercy, I believe in a time where your literally being hunted like a deer, you use every bit of knowledge/Techniques at your disposal - not matter how dark-side it may be - in order to survive.
Agreed...Jedaii maybe? Xesh would be a perfect practitioner...I often wondered if it would fit in with the Jedaii philosophy...Revanites too...and Revan.
Revan understood that in order to fight the dark side you needed to understand it, even his holocrons states that he knew ancient sith rituals and techniques, so it could be possible that he knew Juyo
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I'm just saying any incompletion in Juyo has not shown itself to be a hindrance for Sith, and Windu's Vaapad is exempt from this rule.
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