Barsen'thor Vs Zayne Carrik
Who would win in a fight between these two Jedi? The Legendary Baesen'thor or the youth who survived the taris massacre?
Both are powerful force users yet their skill with the saber is something that would make both Cin Drallig and Dooku roll in their graves.
yet time and time again has shown that often times the force is the deciding factor.
Sabers
Force powers
All out.
On the planet Bespin.
Bonus Match. Both Jedi Versus HK-47 and HK-51 Who wins?
Really? The barsen'thor? I mean yeah sure he/she is pretty powerful, but I wouldn't say Barsen'thor is better than Carrik, I can Honestly say I believe they are both Mediocre Duelist, and well the Barsen'thor hasn't shown any other force techniques besides the ability to shrug off the Dark Plague and Poisonous abilities as well showing some minor proficiency with TK. Same thing goes for Zayne - minus being able to shrugg off poisonous abilities,
Zayne was able to hold his own against a pretty impressive master by the end, but he's no Barsen'thor. Barsen'thor was legendary.
Force powers especially go all Barsen.
Barsen'thor has a pretty good list of victories.
To quote Wookiepedia:
"The Barsen'thor was skilled enough to defeat Nalen Raloch while only a Padawan, Lord Vivicar, as a Jedi Knight, and numerous Children of the Sith Emperor such as Augin Blaesus, Sophia Farash and the First Son as a Jedi Master and as the Barsen'thor."
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
minor proficiency with TK.
Lolwut?
Also while its true the Barsem'thor isn't noted for her dueling abilities, she still blitzes Rakatan war droids and dodges lightning twice in a row. Furthermore she is said to 'embody true skill.'
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lolwut?Also while its true the Barsem'thor isn't noted for her dueling abilities, she still blitzes Rakatan war droids and dodges lightning twice in a row. Furthermore she is said to 'embody true skill.'
Haazen relied a lot on his Gauntlet of Kressh, which prevented anyone from touching him, and Zayne out*smarted* him. Haazen was basically a failed padawan, after all, despite having a good teacher.
Fighting Lucien is more impressive- Lucien, we saw in training flashbacks, defeated all four of the seer circle jedi behind the massacre. Still, he was never on Lucien's level, merely able to defend himself from Lucien.
Zayne was a very clever character, which helped a lot when taking on stronger foes.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Alright, I give You that, she/he/it is impressive, but I'm with Zayne, not only was he able to go head to head with Lucian, who is a formidable lightsaber duelist and a powerful force user, who was highly skilled in TK and Force Rage, but he also defeated Haazen who was trained by Arca Jeth. And took out multiple Jedi with force lightning(correct me if I'm wrong). I mean consider the fact that Zayne had "Awkward" relationship with the force and was thought to be a mediocre Jedi, than has to be impressive. So yeah I'll hesitantly give You the win on force powers, but, saber wise Zayne wins.
*sigh* sometimes I wonder if people just say "he stomps" because "hE Ar3 Teh L3gEnDd@ry B@rS3n'Th0r!" I seriously HATE people that think their choices are canon, they are just some hardcore Role players who RP too much imo
People say the Barsen'thor stomps because they've seen me outline just how powerful she is in previous threads. She defeated an ancient Sith Lord who once almost defeated the entire Jedi Order, who was drawing on the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters and she beat him while she was weakened.
I do like how you 'hesitantly' give the Barsen'thor the win on force powers. As if its in question whether Zayne can stand up to a character who casually throws bus-sized chunks of metal around, smashes down 'impenetrable' Rakatan Vault doors and tanks explosions that demolish blast doors to the face.
Hint: He can't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I do like how you 'hesitantly' give the Barsen'thor the win on force powers. As if its in question whether Zayne can stand up to a character who casually throws bus-sized chunks of metal around, smashes down 'impenetrable' Rakatan Vault doors and tanks explosions that demolish blast doors to the face.Hint: He can't.
Yea, Zayne was famous for being bad with the force! Or rather, having an 'unusual relationship' with it (In his words, "The force doesn't want me dead. It doesn't want me happy, but it doesn't want me dead."😉.
He does get some pretty accurate visions at times, and he eventually becomes somewhat competent in normal abilities, but compared to Celeste Morne, Lucien, or any of the seers in the seers circle, he was no true match in a strait contest. He heavily relied on friends, plans, and circumstances to do what he did.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
saber wise Zayne wins.
You must be joking.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
not only was he able to go head to head with Lucian, who is a formidable lightsaber duelist and a powerful force user, who was highly skilled in TK and Force Rage
So what?
The Barsen'thor has beaten tons of guys who were formidable lightsabre duelists and powerful Force users. Not just "gone head to head with," she defeated them. Some of which she did while weakened.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
*sigh* sometimes I wonder if people just say "he stomps" because "hE Ar3 Teh L3gEnDd@ry B@rS3n'Th0r!" I seriously HATE people that think their choices are canon, they are just some hardcore Role players who RP too much imo
I hate it when people ignore the facts and say a character loses just because of personal bias.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Both are powerful force users yet their skill with the saber is something that would make both Cin Drallig and Dooku roll in their graves.
And you base this on what exactly?
The Barsen'thor won numerous lightsabre duels against insane Jedi, Sith Lords and Children of the Emperor. She clearly know how to handle a blade.
Originally posted by Nephthys
People say the Barsen'thor stomps because they've seen me outline just how powerful she is in previous threads. She defeated an ancient Sith Lord who once almost defeated the entire Jedi Order, who was drawing on the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters and she beat him while she was weakened.I do like how you 'hesitantly' give the Barsen'thor the win on force powers. As if its in question whether Zayne can stand up to a character who casually throws bus-sized chunks of metal around, smashes down 'impenetrable' Rakatan Vault doors and tanks explosions that demolish blast doors to the face.
Hint: He can't.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
So what? Any padawan with some basic knowledge of the force can throw chunks of rock and metal,
Its the size of the metal that matters. She casually threw a chunk of metal that should have weighed a good few hundred tons. And she threw it damn far as well.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
and as for the 'impenetrable' door, Anakin was able bring down a Giant statue during his attack on the Temple, Jaden Korr brought down a huge Pillar during the battle of korriban, Kyle Katarn on Vjun was able to save Jaden and himself by holdig the rubble with the force.
Lol, none of that is nearly as impressive as what the Barsen'thor did. Thats not even as impressive as this:
Which the Barsen'thor does casually and at the start of the game.
Knocking over some stone statues and holding up some rubble doesn't compare to smashing though meter-thick blast doors.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
this a feat countless of Jedi have accomplished, Impressive? Yes. Amazing? No, Look at Yoda during the invasion of corousant or Mace during the battle of dantooine, or how about Darth Nihilius who pulled his flag ship from Malachor's orbit?
And those characters are considered to be among the greatest ever. Just because she isn't juggling mountains doesn't mean the Barsen'thor isn't well above Zayne bloody Carrik.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
And as for my hesitancy, Carrik was able to lift 6 miners at one point in his lifetime, impressive? Yes.
No. Didn't he do that in space?
At the start of the game the Consular defeat Nalen Raloch, who was powerful enough to rip a large section of rock out of a caverns ceiling. A large enough section to collapse the entire cave. Zayne doesn't even compare with the first boss of the game, lol. 🙄
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Amazing? No. But still it is a feat worth noting. Like I've said before Zayne is an adept duelist and was able to hold out against Lucian who is a formidable duelist and force user, the Barsen'thor is powerful, no doubt, but her abilities are not amazing, but with that said I think she is an impressive Jedi. But she is - at best - an okay duelist, Nowhere near Lucian's level.
The Barsen'thor is said to 'embody true skill', as I said. Its noted in the encyclopedia that thinking that a Consular isn't a skilled duelist is a mistake. Satele Shan herself remarks that shes deeply impressed with the Barsen'thor's combat abilities as a padawan and Qyzen Fess is so awed that he believes her to be the avatar of his GOD. Do not understimate the Barsen'thor's skill.