Shimrra Force resistance is sufficient enough to circumvent getting Force wrecked by GM Luke, and was physically capable and adequately adroit as a fighter that Luke had to resort to a semi-cheapshot to gain the win against him. Dooku would get damn near Fisto'ed against him.
Onimi was powerful enough to manipulate Jamaane in the Force, so I can see him just flatout Force annihilating the Count from the on-set.
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shimrra faced a Luke who had just taken on half a dozen slayers and, before that, a virtual army of vong warriors to even get to the throne room.
Onimi was extremely deadly with respect to his self-generating organic toxins and his vong physiology, but otherwise exhibited no great talent as a warrior or force adept beyond that. Not sure how his ability to influence shimrra indicates he'd be capable of "flat out annihilating the Count."
Fair enough on the Jammane point, but besting a Luke who've been through all of that in physical combat, is still impressive because Luke stamina has proven to be God-like over the years. You don't even think he can beat the likes of TPM Sidious, one-on-one?
LAL. Onimi showed the ability to affect the minds of Jammane with the Force, a being highly resistant to that type of influence because of his Yuuzhan Vong status in the Force. I don't actually see Dooku countering that type of telepathy. Unless I'm mistaken and Onimi can only use that type of mental manipulation over a long period of time, rather than a quick mental whammy.
shimrra's undoubtedly an extremely dangerous fighter, by all reckoning the largest and mightiest of the vong. I don't disagree that his ability to hold his own against luke is indicative of enormous skill.
I'm just reminding you that this particular confrontation won't involve backup and an army. more importantly, the Emperor is a far more vicious fighter than luke and will pull out all the stops against shimrra, whereas luke in The Unifying force confesses to jacen that he often restrains himself to avoid potential brushes with the dark side.
not saying shimrra can't win, just saying that the two fights won't be remotely similar.
as far as Onimi goes, I do believe the text indeed suggests that his subjugation of shimrra was a gradual process.
Plus darth Plagueis establishes that sidious possesses great skill in neutralizing toxins and poisons thanks to his studies of sith sorcery. Whether it would be up to the challenge of Onimi's unusually potent concoctions is anyone's guess.
I don't think he could contend with both of them simultaneously unless the environment were such that he could crush them with heavy objects. sith lightning has proven to be an unreliable weapon against vong; sometimes it works, other times it doesn't.
onimi is a cagey, agile fighter who spams a shitton of instakill toxins and poisons whilst shimrra is a lumbering juggernaut. in an unfavorable environment against these two, i'd say all iterations but rots!sidious loses.
The team could probably beat tpm sids due to lack of feats, but rots and up he wins. Palpatine is too fast, Onimi should be susceptible to all force attacks, and as best as I can remember lightning has worked on vong every time except once, with jacen in Traitor, but in the next novel Destinys way he lightnings a bunch with no problem. Jaina uses lightning to kill one in Star by Star, burning a hole thru one, and Luke uses lightning against a slayer in the final battle against shimmra.
Another example of force powers working on them would be lomi plo using her force web to cut a vong up in Star by Star.
He actually killed them in Traitor by utilizing force storm, in Destiny's way Jacen downed an entire forward unit of Vong with Electric judgement though which is ****ing impressive.
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I dont think it was a "force storm" like Palpatine uses, that was just the description the writer used to describe the vortex of debris jacen was throwing around with tk, then finally collapsing the building and burying the vong alive. Still very impressive tho.
He was using lightning and telekinesis simultaneously. He overloaded Vergere's tutaminus, killed Vong with lightning, crushed Vong under rubble, and destroyed a portion of the room. If that's not Maelstrom then I'd like to know what it was.
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Sep 12th, 2015 08:53 PM
