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Yoda and DN Luke vs. Novel Vitiate and Revan Reborn
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Yoda and DN Luke vs. Novel Vitiate and Revan Reborn

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2. All-out


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Hmmm Vitiate is just too strong but idk


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Salty is the operative word here.

But it's also interesting to see the bar being raised. What, do you not think Caedus' run-ins with Aurra sing and the rookies under Katarn's wing are up to scratch with Vitiate anymore?

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OT : Vitiate gains two new slaves.


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kek, back a few years ago, Revan vs. Yoda was a serious discussion, as was novel Vitiate vs. Wankatine or Luke. Then supa Ant went on his epic run, and brags about how he changed forum opinion...to even him assuming that this battle is a spite for team 1.

Mission accomplished. thumb up

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Any good arguments, that aside?


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Alright, sure.

Revan can't be killed unless he's decapitated. His raw power vastly surpasses the likes of Darth Nihilus, who has shown vastly greater telekinetic powers than anything Yoda has ever fleshed out. Darth Nihilus can also expand his energies across an entire planet, suggesting Revan could destroy the entire planet they are in. Yoda may be an equal to Palpatine, who's canonically superior to Darth Nihilus, but Revan's vastly superior to Darth Nihilus - which Palpatine and Yoda, as per any comparison of hype and feats, aren't. Furthermore, Bastila Shan is a peer of Dooku according to a canonical source, yet was housed by a pre-prime Revan after he tore through armies that show more advanced Force abilities than Darth Maul. Then he fought Darth Malak, who, with the full power of the Star Forge, could create anything he wants with her mere will, as per I believe The Essential Guide to the Force. He had the entire power of a star to call upon but was still defeated two to three times. Palpatine may be canonically superior, but being better only places him as a 51% above Darth Malak - Revan is far more than that. Revan grew far more powerful, showed the ability to handle interior energy that threatened to destroy all life in a one-kilometer radius, meaning he can handle any attack Yoda or Luke Skywalker has ever shown. In SWTOR, it's stated by the narrator that Revan is more powerful than anything the protagonists has ever even imagined before, further making me believe he's well beyond the scope of powers Yoda or Luke Skywalker is fleshing out.

And then Vitiate is even more powerful than him, so yeah, the SWTOR team is winning this.

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I had typed up a response to your "argument" Ant but seriously, if you're gonna troll-logic at least make it clear to people you aren't just being an idiot, because some of your contentions are statements we could see you actually making...maybe because you have.

Ex:

> claims Revan can planet-bust
> later cites an event where Revan needs a device to generate a one kilometer radius blast

If I had to bet, I'd bet that these contradictions were unintentional and just failures in argumentation on your part.


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I had typed up a response to your "argument" Ant but seriously,

I doubt it, but let's pretend you did.

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if you're gonna troll-logic at least make it clear to people you aren't just being an idiot, because some of your contentions are statements we could see you actually making...maybe because you have.

Ex:

> claims Revan can planet-bust
> later cites an event where Revan needs a device to generate a one kilometer radius blast

If I had to bet, I'd bet that these contradictions were unintentional and just failures in argumentation on your part

Revan's power in SoR was vastly weakened due to the fact his power was split into two, and then he had to probably use a lot of his power to keep his body alive.

And Revan didn't need the energy beam - he used it because it was directly available to him. He later states he would try to destroy the entire world "by hand." thumb up

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> claims Revan grew far more powerful, citing specifically a feat and then an accolade from SoR
> then claims, in opposition to half of the debates you've had on Revan where you've scaled him up by SoR, that SoR Revan is far weaker than his former self

Kek

Bonus:

> thinks cutting his power in half (or not even that, given that the dark half was said to keep the power), reduces one from planet busting to needing an amp to replicate Hiroshima

You're regressing tbh


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I'll post something more when I'm at a comp


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> claims Revan grew far more powerful, citing specifically a feat and then an accolade from SoR
> then claims, in opposition to half of the debates you've had on Revan where you've scaled him up by SoR, that SoR Revan is far weaker than his former self


From Darth to Reborn, not Returned. thumb up

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> thinks cutting his power in half (or not even that, given that the dark half was said to keep the power), reduces one from planet busting to needing an amp to replicate Hiroshima


Star Wars is strange like that. Revan absorbed all of Vitiate's charged, nexus-amped lightning attack until the point where the rest were just able to burn his skin.

Vitiate by the novel is undisputedly beyond Darth Nihilus, so my claim is consistent. thumb up

Between the splitting of power, the likelihood he was reserving power for the ritual he was about to conduct after the fight,and the fact he had to keep some of his power to maintain his body, it checks out.

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It's almost as if Star Wars is retarded, and anyone can make a claim for anything without factoring in logic and circumstance.

Gloat all you want about how Revan has somehow lowered in opinion over the years (ask anyone else, especially on ComicVine, and you'll know that's not true, but whatever), but arguments that he's a Palpatine-tier Force-user can still be fleshed out to the same degree you try to argue most of your claims in debates. It's just not logical and retarded, like basically everything you argue, hence why no one does. That doesn't mean it's not possible. You should take the hint.


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Ant, who do you hate more, S66 or Ellimist?

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I like Elm as a person. I just get extremely tired of his shenanigans.

But I genuinely loathe S66 and hope God exists for the sole hope that he ends up in Hell. thumb up


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What shenanigans?

Remind me why you hate S66 so much. And be descriptive, you know how aroused I am by hatred.

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S66 likes Dooku and doesn't like Revan. He'd hate you too if he didn't identify you as his internet father figure.


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That's why I give Ant a coat hanger every year for his birthday.

To remind him I made the wrong choice. no expression

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My Tempest who wins this?


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