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(II) Dark-Side Showdown (CANON)
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Jaggarath
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(II) Dark-Side Showdown (CANON)

Teams of two face off.

- Darth Maul (SoD)
- Savage Opress (TCW)

- Darth Tyranus (ROTS)
- General Grievous (ROTS)

- Quinlan Vos (DD)
- Asajj Ventress (DD)

- Darth Vader (R)
- Kylo Ren (TFA)

* Best two teams take on:
- Darth Sidious (TCW)

* Worst team takes on:
- Darth Vader (ROTS)

All characters are at their peak.


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It's difficult to say honestly since Kylo's hard to place. If canon Kylo is above the level of someone like canon Ventress (which his duels at the end of TFA are more than I'd expect Ventress to do in similar condition, and he has some an gualidy accolades), then he'd beat Ventress, at least contend with Savage, and be able to stasis Grievous, with Vader being the mightiest team leader IMO, team Vader would win. If Kylo's beneath the other underlings, but can still compete with the underlings then I'd likely stick with team Vader since Ventress and Grievous are ragdoll fodder for him. And if Kylo's a complete *****, perhaps Maul and Savage since they have the best synergy and neither are particularly weak to force attacks, but I wouldn't rule Vader out since he's still the MVP with the most balanced skillset, greatest Force power, and greatest durability.

So I'm not entirely sure but I'm leaning team Vader.


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It's difficult to say honestly since Kylo's hard to place. If canon Kylo is above the level of someone like canon Ventress (which his duels at the end of TFA are more than I'd expect Ventress to do in similar condition, and he has some an gualidy accolades), then he'd beat Ventress, at least contend with Savage, and be able to stasis Grievous, with Vader being the mightiest team leader IMO, team Vader would win. If Kylo's beneath the other underlings, but can still compete with the underlings then I'd likely stick with team Vader since Ventress and Grievous are ragdoll fodder for him. And if Kylo's a complete *****, perhaps Maul and Savage since they have the best synergy and neither are particularly weak to force attacks, but I wouldn't rule Vader out since he's still the MVP with the most balanced skillset, greatest Force power, and greatest durability.

So I'm not entirely sure but I'm leaning team Vader.
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Dooku, Vos, Grievous and Ventress lose to Sidious.

Vader, Kylo, Maul and Opress beat Vader.


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Jaggarath
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You completely read that wrong, Syn.


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Oh?


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Re: (II) Dark-Side Showdown (CANON)

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Teams of two face off.

You didn't answer this, aka the point of the thread.

quote:
* Worst team takes on:
- Darth Vader (ROTS)

I said worst team, not worst two teams.


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Grievous and Dooku beat everybody.

Kylo and Vader lose to Vader.


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You know this is Canon only, right?


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Dooku and GG, prolly.


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Not sure. Split between Savage+Maul/Dooku+GG. In Canon, it's actually entirely possible that Savage stomps Grievous in the Force due to lack of Grievous dodging Force.


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Vader's team. No question.

They will lose to Sidious though.

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Vader is the best combatant but Kylo is fodder.


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I’m not convinced on that. At the very least, he can certainly take out Grievous easily enough because of his stasis ability and that team is the biggest competition.

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thesithmaster
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Grievous will press Kylo far too much. If he was beating TCW S2 Kenobi in a duel, what hope does Kylo have? It's not as if Grievous is fodder for your average Force user, even in Canon.


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You have seen TFA, yes? Kylo can easily freeze Grievous just as he did to others in the film. It's literally a non-fight. Kylo's powers are perfect for countering Grievous. It's just a terrible match up for the General.

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Vader didn't stasis Karbin during their fight despite the fact that it would have been extremely convenient to do so at certain points in their fight.

The only logical conclusion then is the one we reached for Grievous in Legends. Their offensives are powerful enough that the person defending against them has to put nearly everything towards their augmentation simply to keep up.

If Kylo had the distance he'd need to stasis Grievous then Dooku would certainly be able to interfere and release Grievous so that could engage him.


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Team maul and team vos are the last two standing imo. Kylo might not be fodder, but he definitely isn't going to beat anybody here in sabers and Grievous is too susceptible to the force. Not only that, Vos has already beaten Dooku rather decisively.


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Vader didn't stasis Karbin during their fight despite the fact that it would have been extremely convenient to do so at certain points in their fight.

The only logical conclusion then is the one we reached for Grievous in Legends. Their offensives are powerful enough that the person defending against them has to put nearly everything towards their augmentation simply to keep up.

If Kylo had the distance he'd need to stasis Grievous then Dooku would certainly be able to interfere and release Grievous so that could engage him.


No. The logical conclusion is that people dueling Grievous suffer massive PIS. As for Dooku, he’s going to be having his hands full dueling others. He can’t sit around babysitting the General for long.

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Ren's best feat is freezing Rey or Poe, though. I don't think he can easily someone of Grievous' strength-class.


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