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Vader & Dooku vs. Super Battle Droids (growing gauntlet)
This is canon Vader and Dooku, with access to their lightsabers and force abilities only. They are working together as a team.
They are in the Geonosis arena, and are attacked by the Super Battle Droids all at once.
The stipulation is that the number of droids doubles after each round. In other words, the number of droids starts off at 10. Then 20. Then 40. Then 80. And so on.
Vader and Dooku are fully healed between each round. How many can they take down before they fall?
Since this is Canon, not really seeing Dooku lasting a whole lot. Plus has Dooku ever taken on a gigantic number before? His fighting style doesn't seem at all geared to it.
Vader can last just due to feats of already taking on huge groups and his armor is a far greater benefit for defense purposes.
So Vader does last a lot longer than Dooku would, but I'd say he'd get overwhelmed when the numbers start reaching towards the triple digits.
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Last edited by Zenwolf on Nov 29th, 2022 at 03:49 AM
I mean realistically all it takes is for them to keep using Force telekinetic based abilities. Unless you have an unlimited amount of droids?
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Yeah but unless they constantly use 360 degree Force Waves, they’ll get surrounded pretty quickly and overwhelmed. Dooku moreso than Vader since the latter is far more of a tank.
I mean I would hope those who actually know are only joking. But the whole being able to bust armies with regards to Force Users is like in the 1% in the entirety of the SWU and even then this required some prodigy or huge level of Force Affinity so that just makes it even smaller.
For SW Canon though? Vader has been the only one shown to my knowledge to even go up against a huge amount of numbers at any one time and come out on top. I guess also Sidious too.
Dooku I wouldn’t be surprised if he dies within the double digits because while he’s powerful sure, he’s certainly not within army busting levels of power, that’s just not his style.
So he dies first and I’ll give the benefit to Vader getting into the triple digits before he falls considering he has the showings that make it plausible for him
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Last edited by Zenwolf on Nov 29th, 2022 at 07:02 PM
Ok Stilt, I'll admit some might REALLY stretch out what a character is actually capable of. But those who really know, would know it's BS.
I mean just by showings alone, we have maybe a handful of actual army busters and they are all in that top 1% within the SW Mythos. Which is majority coming from the EU.
Disney Canon, I've only seen Vader take on any large group that was in the low to medium double digits for infantry. Which was an entire Rebel Company which had vehicle support. In Vader Down.
A Company isn't an Army, it's only a step above Platoon level in strength. I couldn't count all the troops in Vader down, but he really only killed maybe a low 200+ count of troops. Even then though, I'm pretty sure it wasn't all at once, but reading through the comic it makes it seem a little bit confusing honestly where it doesn't seem he fights them all at once and it's more a separation/divide/conquer sort of thing. But whatever, we'll just go with it.
Of course given the location here is much smaller compared to where Vader was, that might be an issue. Still I can give the benefit of the doubt in saying he'll get into the 200 count before falling.
Which being fair, I don't see why that's a bad thing?
Yeah, low triple-digits sounds about right. Vader and Dooku are beasts, no doubt, but defending against that much simultaneous blaster-spam would be difficult for pretty much anyone this side of a peak Palpatine to deal with. Their best bet would probably be a mixture of Force-shielding + TK waves... But we've also seen top-tier Jedi overwhelmed by far less, so... /shrug
It also depends *how* the droids attack them. For example, if the droids are all just marching towards Vader/Dooku from across the arena, then they could handle more... But if they are swarmed omni-directionally, then they'd go down much faster.
Given the layout of the Arena, I counted...6 entrances just on the ground level alone? There could have been more, but everything happening so fast I only could count 6.
Agree. If Vader/Dooku get swarmed from all sides by the droids simultaneously, then I could see them perhaps clearing the 160 mark(as mentioned, that is already a tremendous amount of blaster-spam to defend against.)
The next round would be 320 droids, and they likely aren't clearing that, imo. Unlike the Battle of Geonosis from AotC, the droids would only be targeting Vader/Dooku exclusively(instead of the dozens of other Jedi who were in the arena), and there also wouldn't be random debris laying around for the duo to take refuge behind.
Tbh I think Dooku dies before the 100 mark, though I guess if Vader is doing heavy lifting he might survive to that point.
But really this is just due to....lack of grand feats? Tbh apart from Vader and Sidious and....I guess Luke.
Has ANY Force User in SW Canon done anything huge without assistance and just by themselves with regards to enemy combatants?
Because I'm honestly drawing a blank here, granted I'm really just recalling from TCW where every Force User just seemed to be a hair above a Non-Force User at times..
So I dunno if any other comic or novel has Dooku pulling off something like Vader had done in Vader Down. I really doubt it, seeing as that isn't his style...
But it seems like there's this gigantic power gap in feats shown between characters.
Vader gets shown to be like this monster in Canon, yet I can't recall seeing anything like that for really any other character.
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Last edited by Zenwolf on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:22 PM
Nov 28th, 2022 03:09 PM
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