KMC Comic Book Tiers

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Notes:
1.) This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms. Individual matchups might mean that someone in a lower tier could beat someone in a higher tier, but we're basing the list on general power levels.
2.) PIS should not be considered. CIS is considered.
3.) The tiers are defined by who is in them. There will necessarily be "low" and "high" characters within a tier, but the idea is to place a character as close to their peers as possible. Put another way, there can be multiple levels within the same tier.
4.) Prep is not considered, nor is the status of a character in their respective universe. Intelligence can and should play a role in votes, but only in non-prep scenarios.

Definitions:
Please note that these definitions do not exist outside KMC. They were created for a common forum vocabulary, and to give newer members a sense of the general area where certain characters are placed. Nothing more.

That said, there are not strict definitions for where one tier ends and another begins. Sometimes, however, we do have certain unofficial rules. They are:
- The Trans. Tier was created to represent anything above Surfer (who is generally considered the top of high herald) and below Skyfather (ie. Odin.) It is the only tier that is defined on either extreme by actual characters.
- "Street" generally refers to characters without powers, but not without exceptions. A skilled martial artist would likely be street. A skilled martial artist who can amp himself to metahuman levels would not. It is possible to be without a "power" and be above street (for an example: Karate Kid).

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-The Master List-

Tier 4 - Trans. Tier (Sub-Skyfather)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mogo, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Sentry (Void/Death), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Superman (mainstream/Rebirth), Swamp Thing, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (depowered), Validus

Tier 3 - Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Atrocitus, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Orion, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Graviton, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Angela, Animal Man, Apollo, Aquaman, The Atom, Big Barda, Blanque, Breach, Captain Comet, Cir-El, Cyborg, Darkness, Deadman, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Enchantress (DC), Enchantress (Marvel), Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firelord, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Frankenstein (DC), Gammid, Gilgamesh, Godzilla, Gold Key Solar, Gorilla Grodd, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Ikaris, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Kalibak, Killer Frost, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Metamorpho, Mirror Master, Morlun, Mr. M, Mr. Sinister, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Parasite, Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Hulk (no energy absorption), Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Skaar, Skeletor, Snowbird, Solomon Grundy, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Superboy, Super-Man (Kenan Kong), Tempest, Terrax, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Union, Vulcan, Weapon H, Wendigo, Wiccan, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Tier 2 - Meta

High
Abomination, Ares (Marvel), Argent, Artemis, Atlas, Aurora, Aztek, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Black Lightning, Black Manta, Blastaar, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Cold, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Crystal, Darwin, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Dracula (Marvel), Emma Frost, Forerunner, Geo-Force, Ghost Rider II, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Giganta, Grim Reaper, Groot, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Hood, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Ironheart, Jack of Hearts, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Karate Kid, Living Laser, Machine Man, Magik, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Maxwell Lord, Mera, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Ms. Marvel, Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan), Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Psylocke, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Reed Richards (Ultimate), Sand, Sandman (Marvel), Sasquatch, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shassa, She-Hulk, Shift, Spiral, Starfire, Static, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Weather Wizard, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Ambrose Chase, Arkon, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Clayface, Cloak, Corrin, Crimson Dynamo, Cyclops, Darkhawk, Darkstar, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Devil Dinosaur, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Fantomex, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Gamora, Gorgon, Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Jubilee, Karolina Dean, King Shark, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Luke Cage, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Mr. Freeze, Multiple Man, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Poison Ivy, Prometheus, Ragman, Reed Richards (616), Rogue, Rom, Speedball, Spider-Man, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vandal Savage, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Low
3-D Man, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Batman, Beast, Black Canary, Black Knight (classic /w/ Ebony Blade), Black Panther, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Captain America, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deadpool, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Domino, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Judge Dredd, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Moon Girl, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Ninjak, Nuke, Orka Humbug, Owlman, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Spider-Woman, Starlord, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Vermin, Vulture, Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar, X-23

Tier 1 - Street

High
Bane, Batgirl, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Harley Quinn, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Nightwing, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Taskmaster, Union Jack, Ursa Major, Winter Soldier

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Batroc, Black Cat, Black Mask, Black Widow, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Catman, Catwoman, Conan, Crossbones, Damian Wayne, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Hush, Joker, Ka-Zar, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Jesus (TWD), Kate Bishop, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Two Face, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Validus
Who all do you think should be moved up?

I said before Doomsday should probably go up one. Honestly, thats all I see.

Honestly. I do think Martian Manhunter deserves to be there, Zoom, Kilowog, The Fallen One, MOrg, Orion, WaveRider, Count Neferia, Gladiator. And some more Villians. Villians fall victim to having to lose when we know they really shouldn't. Ravange (the green guy from A. Wave) is Elite Top tier to me as well. Adam Warlock isn't Elite Top tier. I'd wager he can't get the majority on Sersi or Waverider or Void. And they are all a step below him. And Infinity Man is Trans. He's stronger than Superman with more powers than the Legion. EVen his official Bio says Unlimited strength. The General Needs to come down to Elite Top tier. Even tho he's stronger than Superman, he's just a regenerating Brick. Where Doomsday can evolve to fight Skyfather lvl beings. That's my Two cents. Some may be off a lil and that is fine. We are here to discuss.

Sinestro at Top Top Tier.

Why's he on the same plane as someone who's scared shitless of him (Guy)?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Sinestro at Top Top Tier.

Why's he on the same plane as someone who's scared shitless of him (Guy)?

Exactly.

Why is this thread like not moving? maybe merge the two so that we can leave off from where the other thread was? Just a thought.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why is this thread like not moving? maybe merge the two so that we can leave off from where the other thread was? Just a thought.

People aren't no right now.

Give it time.

As for me. Good night! I'll see you all on Friday wave

what about the thunder cats were should they be placed?

Originally posted by capt it up
what about the thunder cats were should they be placed?

In a different thread.

Where should the stay puft marshmallow man be?

I think Joker should be dropped down from that High-Low Tier, he is ranked above Nightwing who has literally beat him to death.

Should probably specify which Green Arrow is being refered to in that High-Low tier (I assume Ollie) and add Connor Hawke in there as well.

Originally posted by Wally West
I think Joker should be dropped down from that High-Low Tier, he is ranked above Nightwing who has literally beat him to death.

Should probably specify which Green Arrow is being refered to in that High-Low tier (I assume Ollie) and add Connor Hawke in there as well.

You mean Red Arrow? I think he's High low-tier as well.

Joker can beat Nightwing. And he's also the most fearer villain on DC earth. He needs to stay where he is.

Ra's should be one rank higher. He's in Batman's class.

No, Red Arrow has been moved down which is accurate, but theres been a couple of Green Arrow's, one of which was Connor Hawke who easily deserves to be in that top tier.

Joker could not beat Nightwing. In fact Joker couldn't beat most people in that top group without some sort of prep.

Just noticed something. What the hell is Sersi doing in mid top-tier? Drop her down a rank or two. She's not over the people in low top-tier. Drop her ass back where it belongs.

Also, no Deadpool? 😱 I say low mid-tier.

list is much better btw

edited.

does ANYBODY know where captain comet would fall?

I think Mid-Tier should be called "Enhanced," so it's consistent with the other tiers in that it's Not named after a character...

Transcendent or Sub-skyfather
Herald
Enhanced
Street

angel_not

This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms.

Originally posted by Wally West
Joker could not beat Nightwing. In fact Joker couldn't beat most people in that top group without some sort of prep.

I agree ✅

I know I said I would drop the Supes thing but I just wanted to say some things.

I can understand Superman being in the Elite tier if we are considering rank(He is DC Flagship) as well but I have a hard time believing that without that consideration he should be on the same list as Silver Surfer or GLs(Hal or Kyle) in power.

Now I know that Superman is never destined to loose to anyone under the blue sky but being unable to loose is different from power level. I think throughout the years we have seen enough from the top GLs to understand they are a league above Superman in actual power.

I think power for power Gladiator and Superman are interchangeable in power levels with each getting slight nods in different categories. I think Glads is stronger and faster than Supes while Supes is more durable and has better energy attacks.

I think Beta Ray Bill in power is actually a hair above superman. I mean without his PIS no death power Superman has never been that impressive to me on an individual basis. All his good feats come at the very end of a fight when he has been overpowered he simply manages to use one of his powers to net a win somehow or a writer has to write something else like T-VO out of the blue.

To me I think without story plot and popularity being key factors we've seen enough of other characters to understand a Top GL can do everything Superman did and more in the same scenario.

MM should do just as well or Wonder Woman should do almost as well. Captain Marvel can do just well as Superman.

So as long as we're taking rank into account then yes Superman is an elite but don't try to convince me that he isn't without it.

Edit: I just wanted to add that I understand that Superman probably reaches the cusp of the Elite even without rank but with Glads and Beta ray Bill down a tier I don't see how he would be above those guys.

Originally posted by Newjak
Edit: I just wanted to add that I understand that Superman probably reaches the cusp of the Elite even without rank but with Glads and Beta ray Bill down a tier I don't see how he would be above those guys.

I agree. Anyway is this in terms of what they can do in general because i see some characters that are in tiers below that can take care of certain characters in tiers above them.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know I said I would drop the Supes thing but I just wanted to say some things.