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Vader has more experience and a better ship, along with being better with the force (he used the force to tell a gunner when to fire to destroy an escaping vessel).
He wins.
And yes, Kamikz, it says in RODV that his piloting skills didn't suffer at all (You already knew that, I was just confirming it, more for other people who read this).
I say Anakin, for one thing he has better reflexes, and I highly doubt that Vader Tie Advanced is a better ship, the Delta seems a lot more maneuverable, stealthy, sleek, ect. Plus, how often did Vader fly during the OT and between ROTS and ANH? Wasn't the last time ESB Vader flew during ANH, and after that it was in SoTE, right? Anakin flies in space battles during the Clone Wars all the time, he'd be more "in shape". So he wins.
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Explain how he has better reflexes if his piloting abilities didn't decrease. Also, if something is said not to decrease, than he is, at the very least, as good as he was before, potentially better. Vader takes this.
It doesn't make sense that his piloting skills would have remained as good, given that his force connection went down exponentially. His reflexes, and general precognition would have severely gone down. The quote is likely referring to his technical piloting ability.
Because he didn't have as much practice, so, naturally, his piloting reflexes would go down. It was said that they didn't decrease by the time of RODV, which was when he was still in practice, by ESB they'd have gone down since he rarely flew, that I know of. I may reconsider, if you can list several instances where he flew not long before ESB.
Anakin would not have better reflexes, i don't think Vader just sat around for 20 years after ROTS, and there is no question the tie is better, and Vader is older and smarter than Anakin.
Despite the fact the Saesee Tiin's personal starfighter is described as 'one of the fastest Atmospheric crafts in the Jedi fleet' in The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, yet the Delta-7's speed transcends that by 4,000 k/ph.
Now, the TIE fighter isn't even nearly as quick as even Tiin's Cutlass-9. Plus, its [the Delta-7] acceleration of gravity surpasses a TIE fighter's by roughly a thousand.
Moreover, the Azure Angel is equipped with four laser cannons, compared to the TIE's two, and has a proton torpedo launcher.
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No, vader ran the Emperor's military, that in no way means that he practiced flying. What makes the Tie better?
And why would Vader choose to practice his flying skills when instead he could practice his Force and saber skills? Plus I doubt that Anakin would get hit by the tie that Han shot, he would have simply dodged it. Nor would he have missed Luke's X-Wing and instead hit R2-D2.
The Tie Advanced i would think have more shields, and also has a cluster missle launcher or something like that, which would be hard to dodge, maybe the Delta is faster, but still think Vader takes this,b/c he would be a much better pilot 25 years later.
If we count the ship's speed, firepower, etc. overall, Anakin's Azure Angel is far better than Vader's TIE, as Advent has already proven. So, if Anakin wins it will probably be becuz of his fighter, only, I think.
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I don't know, i think its pretty even, Anakin has probably better precognition, reflexes... but Vader knows his former self, his old weaknesses and flaws, has more control over himself, he thinks better and formulates plans, while Anakin just improvises, but i would say it depends on who has a better fighter.
So, who does have a better fighter, Advent said its Anakins, but Vader had time to perfect his(better technology), i don't think he uses ordinary TIE fighter and he flown in Delta fighter, wouldn't he use and modify his fighter to use all the good from Delta and add some new. I could be wrong and therefore am still undecided.
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Better technology? Yes, to a certain extent. A TIE fighter's statistics are far worse than that of even a regular Delta-7. Now, considering the fighter was only said to have a slight increase in speed (as listed in tNEGtV), how would it be any better?
And where does it say that Darth Vader made any sort of adjustments to the craft? It's possible, but that still does not change the fact that it's impossible to upgrade its base stats over 10,000 k/ph. That's ludicrous.
In A New Hope, he uses a TIE Advanced, which still is severely lacking in terms of speed, and acceleration of gravity in comparison to the Azure Angel. It's weapons consist of two lasers cannons, again the Delta-7 has four. It has a cluster missle launcher, which is a missle that doesn't track its target, as far as I know [for the TIE Advanced], whereas Anakin would be piloting something with a proton torpedo launcher.
So, as you can see, it doesn't matter, because the starcraft he uses isn't as good.
You do realize that the TIE line of starfighters are a completely separate class than that of the Delta series, correct? That's like ordering PS3 parts for an Xbox 360.
Really, an official source dictates that the TIE line (even the model Vader uses) has absolutely nothing on the Delta type crafts.
No, you are wrong.
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