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Phantom Menace-Special Edition
DarthBorgie
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In regards to Phantom Menace, what could have been added to make this an all around better film? I know some things that could be deleted to make it a better film? Either one, your choice. Discuss amongst yourselves.
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This Time, No JAR JAR!
(we decided to just straight out put a mickey mouse with a bad accent)
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Be a boring topic if we only discussed amongst ourselves
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I'd say replace the whole Naboo cartoon battle and have the trade federation army do a little musical number. I'm thinking with all those robots connected to the same brain then they could get some real good choreography going on - every step in unison and all that, eh? I think I may be onto something here....where did I put GL's number...
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Try letting Plo Koon have more of a role- he is my hero.
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I would say give the JC a bigger role altogether. Thats one of my main complaints about EP 1, the Council doesn't really do anything. You'd think that a suspected Sith would draw them out.
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Apr 11th, 2001 12:27 AM |
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Exactly. I got the visual dictionary a couple of weeks before the film came out, and I thought " Great! I can't wait to see this lot in action! " Yet the opportunity was passed up. One word from Oppo Rancisis would have outclassed the Caribbean comedy creature's entire performance. 
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Apr 12th, 2001 08:28 PM |
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Zereil
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For Episode 1 it would have benefitted from if it had kept what had been taken out like the underwater battle the fact C3 PO was originally going to stay with Anakin and if MAUL had leapt up onto the ship as he was meant to. Beyond that it would be nicer with again inferrence to back history so new viewers could get into it and ripping out the dialogue and updating it all... Beyond that it was a great film
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Apr 18th, 2001 09:24 AM |
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i think it would be cool if TPM ended at the funeral scene. having the celebration right after the funeral seems weird, it's all sad and then all of a sudden its all happy, quit messing with my mind lucas! my head will explode by the changes of mood! BANG!!
ok im finished
but seriously, it would change the mood of the ending of the movie, i would much rather have it end like that than how it did
ok, now i am really finished, thank you x()
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Jun 11th, 2001 11:09 AM |
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Darth Pants
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Yeah, I do think it'd need another scene to build up to the end music, but it needn't have been so happy. I'm convinced Boss Nass is made of plastacine when he jumps down from the Faamba.
It was less of a Jedi council, more of a Jedi trio.
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Jun 12th, 2001 12:49 AM |
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it would have been good if ki-adi mundi got his head chopped off by palpetine and then he used it as a giant ice cream cone
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Jul 20th, 2001 04:23 AM |
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Jay-Sherman
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PM was such a mess, it still would suck unless you reworked it from the plot down, but:
As much Maul as there was Vader in Star Wars. Cut the pod racing to a bare minimum.
Have James Earl Jones dub over Anikin's lines.
Fix the lip-sync for the Neimoidians, that was just lazy.
Don't interupt the end fight scene with the Queen running about, I could'nt give a damn abot her.
Jar Jar is now a guy in a suit or a puppet, the cgi wasn't impressive, even for a second.
Cut that thing off the back of Ewan McGregor's head.
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Jul 21st, 2001 06:12 AM |
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I hate this kind of crap, yes I did say crap. You describe a different film entirely.
Let's make one thing clear, Star Wars is about one thing, George's vision.If you don't like it then fine, don't watch it, but don't start off this rubbish again.
There are a lot of so-called fans who believe they could have done a better job. How many movies have they made? How many screenplays have they written?
Don't bemoan others work, Lucas owes you nothing what so ever, you don't like the film then don't buy the video or the DVD.
Throw out you Star Wars figues that you pretend are just for investment purposes. Put all those NJO books in the trash. Stop playing Dark Forces and X-Wing...
Bottom line is that Star Wars is a 6 part story and TPM had to set up not only for 2 & 3, but also for 4-6. That's hard. Prequels are always harder cos you have to get to a predefined conclusion almost.
Was the film made purely for you? No! Are you even in the target audience, probably not. Just cos we all grew up over the lasy 20 years doesn't mean Star Wars had too. It's still aimed at a predominatly young market, I suggest you acceot that or move on because Episodes 2 & 3 will prbably contain a lot more of the stuff you hate.
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Jul 21st, 2001 06:42 PM |
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Ignoring all the crazy/unrelated stuff you just said. I am willing to forgive a film a whole hell of a lot before I start to dislike it, any way you look at it TPM had serious problems. So don't start this 'so called fans' unquestioning loyalty thing. And so what if a film is aimed at a young audience? That shouldn't be an excuse for poor quality. All avalible information would suggest that episode 2 will be darker that the first one. Also Star wars is a nine part story.
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Jul 21st, 2001 07:41 PM |
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crusin for a brusin..
9 part story?? where u hear that monkey crap from? yes i did say monkey crap.
I also agree with RC if TPM was any different it would screw up the rest of the prequels GL got it just right.
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Jul 21st, 2001 07:50 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yeah, it's six parts. You may say many things, Mr. Critic (It Stinks!), but I would be wary of doubting the Star Wars knowledge of these people!
Look, TPM was not perfect by any means, but I think that as a true prequel it worked very well. It's purporse in introducing us to the charatcers and setting up the story will be better appreciated once the story is finished.
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Jul 21st, 2001 08:38 PM |
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Ratcat
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Perhaps, Mr. Sherman, before you get up on that teetering high horse of yours you would like to check your facts.
6 Parts, as confirmed by George Lucas over 4 years ago.
And, incidently, all information points to a Romance and love story with Action. Episode-III will be the really dark one. Trust me, I've been following this thing for over 2 years now.
There is no "Unquestioning Loyalty" Episode-I had some flaws, but some on the stuff you asked for just goes forward to make bigger problems.
Having a nine year old speak with the voice of a 68 year old man, yeah that would have worked.
As to your interpretation of the final scenes of TPM. So, it was all about Maul Vs Jinn/Wan was it? No it wasn't, it was about the reclaiming of Naboo, Yes the Jedi/Sith battle was impressive, but in fact it made no real difference to the outcome.
The whole point of those scenes was for the Queen to reclaim her rightful place on the throne and to take back the planet for her people. Mauls presence was an inconvience but, with the Starfighters already launched, he was never in a position to really affect that battle, or the Gungan/Droid Army conflict. True, he may have gotten to Anakin and that may have turned the way things happened, but once QG & OB engaged him he was really out of the picture as they just kept him busy.
NEXT!
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Jul 21st, 2001 08:54 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Actually, on that point RC...
In the original drasft Maul was guarding the switch that would have de-activated the orbital shield that was preventing the Gungan army being bombarded out of existence, which gave more credence to Maul as a threat than just the vague idea that he would have nabbed the Queen if the Jedi had been there.
I think it would have been nice if Maul had been made to appear more as a direct threat that HAD to be dealt with rather than just a hard nut on the bad guys side.
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Jul 22nd, 2001 03:21 AM |
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Ratcat
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That would have made his reason for being their more credible.
As I said, it's not like TPM is without its flaws but the "I could have made it better" brigade really get me goat.
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Jul 22nd, 2001 03:27 AM |
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Jay-Sherman
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Star Wars consists of three trilogys, Lucas can no longer make episodes 7-9 because he saw no way of getting arround Harrison Ford's refusal to take part so he's making 1-3 instead.
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Jul 22nd, 2001 05:08 AM |
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Jay-Sherman
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Also, I never claimed that I could have made episode one better than lucas, that was a creation of RC.
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Jul 22nd, 2001 05:11 AM |
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Jay-Sherman
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ALSO, the James Earl Jones thing was a joke, you maniac. Episode 2 will be DARKER than the first one. More attention should have been paid to the jedi/sith battle because the Queen was never characterised to the point that I cared about what she was doing, it would only have taken a few lines.
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Jul 22nd, 2001 05:23 AM |
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Ratcat
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Hmmm, let's take these one at a time.
First post: The three trilogies go back to 1978ish. However, as Lucas has publically stated that there will now only be two trilogies, you calling me a moron was unwarranted and your 3 trilogy claim incorrect. As the Star Wars saga is about the life of Anakin Skywalker who dies in ROTJ there is now 7-9.
Second post: And I never clained you did. I did say that I hate the "I could have made it better" brigade, however I did not say that you were a part of that brigade.
Third post: Because YOU did not care about the queen? That Jedi/Sith battle was irrelevant as portrayed on the screen. It was more of a showcase than an integral part of the plot. The Plot was to return Naboo to the people of Naboo. As a whole piece, the 4 battles worked together. Their sinergy was what made the plan work.
How you can say the character of the queen was not developed confuses me, she had a lions share of the screen time in TPM, during which many aspects of her character were showcased. Frin the hot-headed young woman who disagrees with the actions of a Jedi Master but can not do anything to control them, to the wise beyond her years queen who knows and understands her duty to her people to the general of troops planning a daring operation to retrieve her throne.
**Mods Note: Please can you also keep the personally directed insults to yourself. You are fee to comment on the opinions of anyone, but specific name calling IS against the AUP of this board.
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Jul 22nd, 2001 07:30 AM |
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Ushgarak
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I am afraid you have been mis-informed about the Trilogies, Jay. GL was always going to make 1-3 before 7-9, and he dumped 7-9 a long time ago because he wasdn't convinced of ther relevance to the story. Mind you, he still has the vague ideas in his head about them
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