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Why did Vader strangle Needa but not Piett?
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Darth Callous
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Why did Vader strangle Needa but not Piett?

They both lost the Falcon, so did their rank have anything to do with it, or was Lord Vader just playing favorites?


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commander gree
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he kill them both


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Darth Callous
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No, Admiral Piett died when the Executor was crippled by the kamekaze A-wing that crashed into the bridge and then in turn the Executor crashed into the Second Death Star at the Battle of Endor.


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Now, that is a debatable issue. There are three answers really, both related to recent events:

1. Lack of anger. Vader isn't THAT pissed because he feels he just did rather well- he won the confrontation with his son, made the revelation he wanted to make and feels he may yet destroy the Emperor with Luke's help.

2. Whim. Vader feels what has happened is just the way it went, and this time doesn't feel that vindictive. Bad guys are prone to whims

3. Emotion- Vader is so uset at Luke gewtting away that he doesn't even feel like killing.

The most superficially attractive idea is that Vader is feeling pangs of remorse due to contact with Luke. I would avoid that idea though- it ascribes motives to Anakin which do not actually appear until the final confrontation.

Best to ascribe it to a combination of the above; one way or another it made for a very great dramatic moment.


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Piett was an intelligent leader and Vader knew that. He obviously had had some run ins with Needa in the past and knew how stupid he was. It's a bit like Alex Ferguson not critisising Roy Keane after a bad game but taking his wrath out on Fabien Barthez.


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It wasn't Piett's fault that the Falcon escaped.

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I am going to say Vader was so pissed that Luke got away that he did not bother killing Piett. Vader in ESB does not tolerate as he was in Return of the Jedi

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Originally posted by Darth Traya
It wasn't Piett's fault that the Falcon escaped.


Yes it was! And it was most certainly his responsibility.


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Sesse
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It's not a good policy to kill all officers with combat experience. To remain strong, the Empire needs competent leaders. Especially when there is a rebel alliance supported by a jediwannabe.

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Travis Hicks
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Because Needa let The Falcon escape.


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I think I read somewhere that Needa had failed once before. And after letting the precious crew of the Falcon escape...WHEW! Boy Howdy.


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I fthe falcon had not got away though do you think luke would have joined the darkside?


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Now, that is a debatable issue. There are three answers really, both related to recent events:

1. Lack of anger. Vader isn't THAT pissed because he feels he just did rather well- he won the confrontation with his son, made the revelation he wanted to make and feels he may yet destroy the Emperor with Luke's help.

2. Whim. Vader feels what has happened is just the way it went, and this time doesn't feel that vindictive. Bad guys are prone to whims

3. Emotion- Vader is so uset at Luke gewtting away that he doesn't even feel like killing.

The most superficially attractive idea is that Vader is feeling pangs of remorse due to contact with Luke. I would avoid that idea though- it ascribes motives to Anakin which do not actually appear until the final confrontation.

Best to ascribe it to a combination of the above; one way or another it made for a very great dramatic moment.


If I remember correctly Vader practically sighs after the falcon jumped into lightspeed. 1 fits that pretty well.


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steverules
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Since piett admitted that he lost the falcon and took full responsibilty for it, what do you expect vader to do?


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It's because Lucas found it unnecessary, Vader actually can't think, he is a made up character.
(hahaha! I'm such an ass..)


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roughrider
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All three above reasons have merit. It's an amusing subplot in ESB, Vader's knack for sudden and fatal demotions, and Piett has witnessed them all. When the Falcon escapes, Piett nearly turns white; is it his turn?
I'm sure Vader felt a rush of anger initially, but then felt contamplative. Contact was made, and Luke knows the truth. Maybe it's best to let him simmer on this for a while; Vader can feel Luke is drawn to him. Another day will come. Vader's full feelings are probably unknown, even to himself. The Emperor sensed early how unclear Vader is about Luke.
Nice how Irvin Kershner had Dave Prowse play it: back turned to the audience, looking out the window, before slowing turning and walking away. Vader wasn't above letting Piett sweat it out until he left the bridge; then everyone seemed to breathe easier. shifty


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Lord Lucien
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Yet maybe it's because the film and Vader would just seem too.......stupid, if vader had killed Piett.

1st Ozzel
2nd Needa
3rd Piett.

Gl's goin a bit overboard there eh?


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Originally posted by DiamondBullets
No, Admiral Piett died when the Executor was crippled by the kamekaze A-wing that crashed into the bridge and then in turn the Executor crashed into the Second Death Star at the Battle of Endor.
maybe becouse he needed piett to something


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maybe becouse he needed piett to something


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Originally posted by Darth Traya
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