Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusettes, United States
I don't think it was great, but at the same time if you look at the emotional context of it (with all Anakin's gone through and fought for and what he's done to save her and then to lose her) it makes sense. On top of that, remember it is a very young and immature Darth Vader we see in this film as opposed to the more wisened one of the OT.
That scene was fine.. why is everyone nitpicking every little scene.... it came across as cheesy, because Star Wars is a cheesy movie.. it is supposed to be.. i enjoyed every bit of the movie.. i got no complaints.... except not enough Bail Organa
i agree, the "NOOOOOOO" was pretty bad, a little more anger and realism, maybe vader dropping to his knees and stuff flying around him destroying the room or something would have been better, but oh well...
Bad timing. It was just cartoonish, and a total mood killer.
..thaaaaat would have made it worse, IMO. Dropping to his knees, he should have went for Sidious, who betrayed him, and never taught him how to save Padme, not that Lucas could remember that was the whole reason he switched teams.
Last edited by Cory Chaos on May 19th, 2005 at 06:45 PM
I agree with Baily - the scene was fine. It was obvious Vader was crushed when Sidious told him that lie. Vader just acquired new knees, remember (Palpy sure isn't one for the luxury of anesthesia...) I don't think he'd be 'dropping' to them.
Would have been extra drama, to be sure. But Vader was emotionally devasted no less.
I thought it was done kinda cheesily and it did strike me as being OOC for Vader....but then I remembered that it was Vader JUST being put in the suit. He was an emotional wreck at the moment. We're not USED to Vader acting like that, we're used to him being cold and collected like in the OT. So it bothered me kinda and I think it could have been done better, but it was okay. Certainly could have been worse.
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusettes, United States
I disagree about the scream... This movie shows us Anakin's turn to the dark side being one of weakness and fear. Look at the scene after Mace dies.... It's the best example. You can see there that Anakin essentially lets his weak emotions and mind and his fear be manipulated into helping Sidious. After Mace dies, he realizes he has done wrong and helped evil. He says "what have I done?" Looking at his face tells it all. He could very easily just turn and attack Sidious, but he doesn't because he is too weak to do anything other than submit.
When he tells Sidious he pledges himself to him, it isn't a pledge based on his actual belief in evil or anything. It's based on, well I've gone this far I have to keep going. He's too weak to stop. It's the same kind of weakness and immaturity that gets a lot of teenagers into trouble when they realize they are doing something wrong, but just feel so trapped because they have gone this far and they feel like it's too late.
So don't picture Darth Vader in all his fury yelling "Nooooo," picture a confused, araid, trapped teenager who's gotten himself in too deep and doesn't know what to do.
I didn't like this scene. I was really sad at that moment. I knew the movie was soon at it'S end and everything was so .. yea really tragic and then this "Nooo" scream came and I had to laugh a bit, because it didn't suit him and it was way too cheesy.
I think a good part was, that everything seemed in tense and the surroundings were destroyed (not really, but I don't know how to express)....
There could've been a bit more of that and perhaps the other people going to their knees to show the anger in that room and Darth Vader bowing his head to show his regret and pain.
To be honest, had he said "Why" instead of "No", I think it would have been a lot more effective. "Why" makes more sense, IMO, questioning his turn, and why he did nothing to save her.
Dude, he turned to the darkside, but he was still in love. I mean the scene works because that's what anyone who woke up and found out their loved one was dead because of you. I mean the no is cheesy, but he does pretty much mess up everything int he room
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May 19th, 2005 06:25 PM
John 3:16 ^Thanks Ast Rofan^
