I think this has been done before, but I'm not sure. Dooku has this though. He trained two of them, therefor would know their weakness' and Durge wouldn't last long against force lightning.
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I agree in that I think that they can win. Ventress has the Force, Grievous has totally overbearing combative skills, and Durge has calculating professionalism. They could make a very coordinated team, though Tyranus knows each of them and their weaknesses, whereas I'm not sure that they are so very in touch with each other (one master, three individual pupils) so he could exploit their flaws since he knows them (even Durge, I think).
Ar! I have to edit my post now because Glentract made my point right before I finished my post. Curse my sluggishness.
I assure you I searched Glentract. I think the search engine is a bit messed up though because i searched for Count Dooku ( I also tried Tyranus) vs General Greivous, Asajj Ventress and Durge. All I got was your Bandon vs Greivous thread. I mean usually I'd get threads with at least one of the character's names in it, and God knows we've got tons of Dooku threads floating around here.
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Well Assaj and Durge are like the Dark Side's Obi and Anakin in teamwork, and seeing as how Grievous was the Commander, I'd say that coordination wouldn't be much of a problem, except for the occasional rivalry between Ventress and the General. They might take this, because even if Dooku manages to lightning off Durge, it's not gonna hold him for long, and I doubt even he could fight off both Ventress AND Grievous with one hand. If he gave it his all, yeah, but put Durge in, and it'd be pretty damn hard.
Durge would fall early, no contest.
Was Grievous trained in Dooku's form? If not, he'd probably fall too.
Depends whether Ventress and Grievous tag team Dooku, if they fought individually, they'd lose.
Grievous lacks the force, and Ventress is only a dark side user, she's nothing compared to a Sith. Dooku pwned her ass in the beginning, he could do it again.
I actually don't think Durge is as much of a weakling as you guys say he is. If you read the Republic comic series/the Obsession mini-series, Durge gives Obi-Wan and Anakin tons of trouble. As does Ventress. Add GG into the mix, and I think they could effectively take Dooku out, after a tough battle of course....
GG was very tough and Dooku himself says that he was sometimes surprised by GG his power. But Dooku fought with a lightsaber not with the force, he would own GG in seconds with the force.
That leaves Durge and Ventress, neither of them stand a chance.
in labrynth of evil at one pint dooku points out his mistaks in training GG and ventress so i'm pretty sure he could exploit those to his advantage and take out durge.
I think you mean with the Force and not a lightsaber. . . . but that is correct. However, it will be slightly difficult to fend off the most notorious tag team on one side of the war with just one hand. Not to mention, lightning can be blocked. It's those throws and grips that're the killers.
That leaves Durge and Ventress, neither of them stand a chance.
Anyway, Ventress is under Anakin and Obi-Wan as of ROTS, but during the Clone War, she nearly killed them several times, so I wouldn't banish her as weak. Same for Durge. And although Ventress' mastery of the Force pales in comparison to that of Dooku, it would be enough to stave him for a bit. Like five seconds in a Force battle.
They were good but they were not as good as Anakin and Obi Wan who both didn't stand a chance against Dooku, there is no reason to make me believe those two would. Maybe they could pull it off but I don't think they would.
No, no. Dooku would crush the two of them. What I'm saying is that . . . let me do this again, in a different way.
They all fight in COMPLETELY different ways. Assaj fights like any Dark Jedi, sure, but she uses dual-weapons, and combine them into one at any time, yes? Good. So she could switch tactics on Dooku at any time. Now, don't consider me arrogant, and accuse me of saying that dual-wielding= invincibility. I'm merely stating a fact.
She also possesses a strange relationship with Durge, a connection born from months and months of training and working together. They can tag-team nearly flawlessly, to the point where they decimated a team of five Jedi Masters.
Now Durge. He's a ten-foot tall Gen'Dai with thick-as-hell armor. This won't stop a lightsaber, but it will severely reduce the effectiveness of Dooku's short, precise strokes and rapid, shallow thrusts. He would be required to change his own style to cleave through effectively. However, even if he can cleave all the way through, Durge is of the Gen'Dai, who are nigh impossible to kill. They can literally pull themselves back together. He doesn't even have palpable lungs, seeing as how his entire body is a mass of nerves. So, Dooku has few, if any advantages against him. Now, the reason this is important is that if Dooku is busy using wide, open swings to temporarily disable Durge, he will be leaving himself open to vicious and deadly strikes from Grievous and Assaj Ventress.
Now, nobody here should assume that I think Durge can defeat Dooku. No way in hell. But it'll be hard for Dooku to do something to him while fending off Grievous and Ventress at the same time.
Oh yeah, and a couple more things for Durge. He has shoulder-mounted blasters, a minigun, a flamethrower, wrist-mounted energy shields, immense physical strength, and a "winged" jet-pack with a rocket launcher on each wing.
Now, onto General Grievous. Does he need explanation? Well, for the sake of some of our less capable members, I'll get into this.
As I stated in the GG vs. Ventress thread, the General is more of a stealth-kill kind of guy. He needs terror and surprise to perform at his best, two things that he will not be getting in his battle with Dooku. However, he is a fierce fighter in his own right, capable of wielding not two, not four, but six lightsabers simultaneously. Now, this kind of fighting would help as a split-second distraction, but a four-saber attack would be best in terms of control, speed, and power, when all are needed equally.
Chances are that Grievous will fall against his tutor in a straight-up, one-on-one duel. But he'd be able to hold his own for a few moments.Dooku himself stated that Grievous had him hard-pressed in their sparring sessions. Now, he trained Grievous, yes, but the General learned much from experience. He was, after all, in action only slightly after TPM.
Now, I'm not saying that Dooku will get owned, but he may find himself in over his head here. Whoa, I just had de-ja-vu, lol.
Well, I think the biggest threat here is Durge. Asajj he can take. His superior force powers and he is better with lightsabers. She would die. GG would have his lungs crushed again, this time by Dooku instead of Mace. Durge would probably go down after a bit of force lightning. Dooku wins.
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You make it sound so simple, like none of them are worth anything. It takes at least a moment or two of concentration to just crush someone outright, and while Dooku could do it in a duel, he won't have the time or focus to do it while fending off Assaj and Durge at the same time. He might get a push in, but not much more.
And lightning kills someone by immobilizing them in intense pain, and then pumping electricity into them. You can't make Durge cringe in pain. It just doesn't happen. Not to mention that he's just a mass of nerves, so it'd be pretty hard to do anything there. Now, with a time, Dooku could use everything he had to throw Durge into a wall with full-blow Lightning, and then just wait until his nervous system hyper-reacts. But once again, with Assaj and Grievous breathing down his neck, he won't have time.
And Assaj is no push-over. Sure, she'd get owned in a duel lasting more than twenty seconds. But as the theme in this post is, Dooku just won't have time. Here's why.
Dooku would use regular Makashi tactics against Assaj, seeing as how she's another humanoid. Nothing complicated. Short strokes and shallow thrusts would injure her, incapacitate her, and ultimately, kill her.
Now, for Grievous, different tactics would be required. He wields four blades, forcing Dooku to backpedal while trying to disarm him and ultimately get through his chesplate. This would require a saberlock or two, couple with longer, more open thrusts, and wider swings. This would hinder Dooku's ability with precise strikes, seeing as how it would take aggressive, powerful motions to break Grievous' defense, or offense, for that matter.
And Durge. A gun-totin', flamethrower blasting, flying cluster of nerves. Bringing down Durge would be the hardest task of all. First, the Count would have to deflect fire and blaster bolt shots, the latter of which are completely estranged in his style. He's capable of it, but it's not his strong point. Then, he'd have to bring him to the ground with a Force attack. But the next part is as bad as the first, because Makashi pokes and waves aren't gonna to do squat against a dude with a seventy-inch chest. Dooku's gonna have to swing like a madman to chop through Durge; having to swing a lightsaber through a guy with a chest two-and-a-half times the size of yours when your 83 sure aint' gonna be easy. Oh eah, and did I mention Durge can pull himself back together?
So, this adds up to basically normal techniques against one, over-extending, dangerously open techniques against another, and stupidly wide, exposing, and painful attacks against another. Dooku would be leaving himself open against either Grievous or Durge, and even if he gets one of them, out of the fight like he did with Kenobi, he's gonna have a hell of a hard time using Makashi attacks against one person, and using wide swings that nearly dislocate his arm with another.
Come on. Anakin and Obi-Wan are both people who can be fought off with Makashi techniques, as they use classic forms. In this battle, there will be nearly no foes who can be dealt with through Makashi. Assaj, yes. Grievous, yes, bu to a degree. ANd Durge, HELL NO. My point here is that by fighting one, two, or three of them himself, he leaves himself open to other kinds of attacks. An example being:
Dooku is dueling Assaj Ventress. He is using pure Makashi techniques, and is overwhelming her. Suddenly, Durge comes in with well-placed blaster shots. Dooku is forced to use different techniques, moves that he is not comfortable with, to deflect these bolts. At the same time, Ventress swings at him, forcing him to use Makashi once more. See?
Now, Grievous and Assaj would be an easier team to beat than either with Durge, but he'd still be hard-pressed. However, Durge will always be there thanks to his pain immunuty and lack of organs to crush. Read my longer post in the middle of the page, around 13, 14, I think.
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