I'd honestly have to say Scarlet Witch. Their output is almost the same, but the nature of their powers are diffenent. Wanda controls causality and probabilities. If she consciously willed Genis's powers to cease it's lights out.
But then again, it's also about who strikes first.
Unless Genis is beyond the concepts of causality and probability Wanda is more than likely going to be able to effect him. She did pull Dormammu out of nothingness and use him as a "weapon" of sorts.
I just thought I'd add, how come the cosmic awarness didnt snap Genis out of all the HoM madness. Does that mean Wanda's reality warp trumps his cosmic awarness?
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Wanda did no such thing Illadelph. Dont believe all that Mr Demigawd spouts.
Nowhere in Dormammus latest bio (from last month) is there a mention of Dormammu being captured and used as it appearred he was. It was all just a construct created by Wanda, just like the Kree Army was as Iron Man stated was likely the case in the Dissassembled finale.
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First off, GS, you know me better than to think I'd quote hearsay as fact. Even if it's my colleague demigawd. You don't see me quoting things you, leonidas or Blair Wind say as facts either. I form my own opinions.
Secondly, I read the comic, and that looked and acted like Dormammu.
Now, you're saying she created her own fully functional Dormammu and Kree Army "constructs", out of nothingness, under her own power, but because it's not mentioned in Dormammu's bio that the real Dormammu appeared in the Disassembled Storyline, and Ironman, an "inventor", hypothesized that the Kree Army were simply constructs, that this is the factual account of what happened?
I say that's a hollow explanation GS.
Fact of the matter is Wanda sloppily re-wrote the 616 under her own power, and depowered millions of mutants world wide. And yes, the effects of her power did spill over to other realities though it wasn't through Wanda's conscious effort. It was a "possibility" and it happened. That's Wanda's power.
Unless Genis is above probability, possibility, and causality, Wanda may have his number if she can beat him on the draw. Possibly even if she can't, it's a possibility his attack could miss or simply empower Wanda even further.
And another thing, there's no need to subvertly downgrade the feats of other high end Marvel characters to indirectly protect Jean's status as top b*tch. She still wears a glass crown.
It may not have been said on his bio, but you cant refute the fact that Dr Strange flat out said that only Wanda's power could have summoned Dormammu, plus it did not look like a Wanda constuct as Dormammu seemed pretty pissed ot be forced out of his realm, and thought Dr Strange was responsible. It was probably such a small event that it wasnt worth mentioning in his bio.
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People are still arguing whether it was directy from her power or not. But the fact is, during her first reality warp, she caused a "chaos wave" that nearly brought the multiverse crumbling down.
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You may have read the comic Illadelph but that doesnt give you the excuse to present assumptions as fact.
Nowhere in Dormammus latest bio (from last month) is there a mention of him being used and manipulated in that way. Dormammu being taken control of and teleported into the 616 dimension to fight Strange is a major event. If it was Dormammu it would have been mentioned in his bio. It was not. Thats the crux of the matter. On top of that if you were to read Excalibur #14 you wou would see that that wasnt the only time Wanda used a construct of Dormammu and pitted him up against Strange.
As for dismissing my statement pertaining to Iron Mans comments and that the Kree Army that we saw were mere constructs, well sorry to say this Ill but were you to have a lil peek at the last Wanda bio (Off HBK Women 2005) you'd actually see the point stated. They were constructs. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wanda did sloppily rewrite reality, however its both the scale of her rewrite and her relationship with the "chaos wave" thats in dispute.
At the end of the day the ONLY reference to the scale of the reality warp ever stated on panel was by Roma the multiversal guardian. Given her status im inclined to believe her when she said it was a "global alteration". With that in mind until her new bio comes out in 6 months or theres another on panel statement referring to the scale of the warp then you simply cannot present the OPINION that it was universe spanning. While its effects were certainly felt way beyond Earth 616 the actual warp as far as we've been told was global.
As for the chaos wave. Nowhere in either the house of m core title or the connected side titles was there a reference connecting Wanda directly to the chaos wave. While it stands to reason that her tamperings were the catalyst behind the wave (as supported by Romas comments on the trans temporal tsunami resultant from a global alteration) that doesnt make it a feat of hers. The resultant damage from me lighting a match in a gas filled room or me yodelling in the Alps isnt something i accomplished directly with my own power, it isnt a feat of mine. My actions merely set off something. Romas comments lend more support to the idea that the chaos wave was something sparked off by Wandas amateur tamperings and NOT that it was the spillover of Wandas power into other realities. Theres no evidence for that whatsoever. For all we know it was just the tear in the walls of reality which were responsible for the wave. Legions actions in Legion Quest caused a tear in the walls of reality and as Jahf stated this caused a wave which threatened to collapse the multiverse. Sound familiar? Thats my point. The scale of her powers is too undetermined to make such claims.
You need to remember that all that is possible isnt necessarily achievable under Wandas power. Thats a naive assumption. Some things may be beyond the scope of her ability to bring about. It may be possible to turn the Living Tribunal into a golden retriever. However can Wanda tap into enough energies to allow her to achieve a feat of that scale? Who knows? One couldnt and shouldnt make such claims until a conclusive scale for the conscious application of Wandas abilities has been determined.
Even if it was determined that the wave was actually the spillover of her energies into other realities it it wouldnt mean that she could consciously achieve the same thing. Consciously manipulating and applying vast energies is totally different to generating them and allowing them to spin out of control. Just like Wanda, Storm doesnt generate her own energies (on the most part) she taps into and manipulates outside forces. If Storm was to generate a storm and then leave it and go to lunch and eventually forget about it, leaving it to cause havoc across the entire States for weeks, would the resultant damage be a feat of Storms or something she could do with a conscious application of her powers?
Certainly not in one attempt.
Because the storm raged over the entire United States could it be claimed that Storm has continental range?
Youre getting too caught up in what Wandas powerset possibly entails and forgetting about what shes actually been able to conclusively achieve with said powerset. Genis would win for the simple fact that Wanda is still human and has the inherent weaknesses (durability, reactions, etc) I dont know if youre suggesting that Wanda could use her powers to make him miss but isnt that a conscious application of her powers which would still require a lot more time than it takes Genis to make even multiple attacks. The man does after all possess lightspeed flight abilities, cosmic awareness and superhuman reactions.
Now this is what im talking about!! This is what ive been working towards. A lil fire, a bit of passion from Illadelph.
Thats not what i was doing at all. Thats just a side effect of what i was doing, albeit a most desirable one. Ive already explained myself plenty of times so theres no need for me to do so again. If you believe thats the reasoning behind my recent actions then so be it, but given that my arguments are sound whilst im doing what im doing i really couldnt care.
As for the Jggggg reference, that far from equates to a glass crown status. The death was a blatant plot device given that:
a) Its stated in her bios that she can alter her durability to any level she desires
b) her past durability feats as Phoenix
c) The fact that shes the greatest telepathic force in Marvel
d) It was stated constantly throughout the series that she dies to be reborn and in the same issue she said she had work to do and she didnt know how long she would be allowed to remain in reality.
With all that in mind and given the fact that as per forum rules PIS/CIS are quite usefully not brought into the equation, her crown is as solid as Beyonces thighs.
Nope. She warped an undetermined amount of 616, be it just the earth (as Roma said) or the universe as people would like to believe. This in turn sparked off the chaos wave. It wasnt a conscious effort, theres no evidence to support she could consciously achieve what the chaos wave did. All we know is that her tamperings with reality set it off and it went on to cause havoc in a number of other realities before being stopped by half a dozen mutants.
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Cap was my hero
Certainly not in one attempt. 
