"In the World's Funnest Elseworlds one-shot (2001), created by Evan Dorkin and a variety of artists, a conflict between Bat-Mite and Mr Mxyzptlk inadvertantly destroys the DCU (including many pre-crisis worlds). When they destroy Apokalips the sole survivor is Darkseid who is left floating in space with a piece of paper with the equation drawn on it; The paper has a diagram to the effect of "Mr Mxyzptlk + Bat-Mite = Anti-life". This causes Darksied to laugh uncontrollably."
Hmmmm........Mr. Mxy and bat-mite >>> Thanos w/ IG
Anyways, Mider is right, there is no way to know how powerful the ALE is. You can't just say Thanos cancels it out. 1. IG doesn't work in DCU. 2. ALE probably won't work in Marvel. But if the ALE is multiversal, then it is greater than the IG which is universal.
I was just goofballing. Totally not serious.
On a serious note though, since we can neither deny nor confirm the power of the anti-life equation then we could just as easily say that Darkseid wins or loses. It really doesn't matter. There is no winning this situation. There's no winning arguement and no losing arguement. All in all this is moot. It's pure opinion. In my opinion scrunchy straws are the second best invention of all time next to post it notes. That's why I don't make these all powerful galactic being vs all powerful galactic being threads.
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in simonson's orion, orion was considered the most powerful being in the universe when he had it, and when he transferred it to a multiversal entity that was going to destroy the MULTIVERSE, it destroyed the creature. the creature was sort of the embodiment of chaso, while the ale is the embodiment of order.
based on that feat, i believe we can say the ale is a multiversal power that would trump the ig. darkseid tells thanos that, for being the most overly-powered, cosmic blunderer in comicbook history, to use the gauntlet to erase himself from existence, and thanos does.
What multiversal entity did Orion transfer the ALE to and how do you know it was a multiversal entity. What was said about it to make you think that?
Ive got hold of Cosmic Odyssey but im in a really lazy mood. I just cant be bothered to read it lol. It would prob be easier if you directed me to the pages.
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cosmic odyssey is a very different take on the ALE. i'm not even sure it's canon. the orion series is though, but i'll need to look. i'll get back to ya.
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okay. this is info from orion 16-18.
according to clockwerx, guardian of the tree of life/knowledge, the ecruos is the 'negation of all that is', the 'great enemy of the source itself'. speaking honestly, i'm not entirely sure is was a multiversal entity (is there such a thing in dc cosmology??) but it was a multiversal level threat. (THAT was my initial explanation. remembering after a few months i recalled my thoughts as multiversal entity -- no one knows WHERE it came from . . .)
the ecruos's purpose was the destruction of the tree of life, the provenence of all creation. the ecruos was destroying the tree. each time the tiniest branch fell from the tree, a world or even a galaxy died . . . ecruos overthrew the guardian of the tree, clockwerx, then set about destroying it.
here's a bit from simonson himself on clockwerx:
"I was inspired to a certain extent by the tales of Lord Dunsany, one of the earliest and best writers of fantasy. And by some of my own readings in mythology as well. I wanted to create a realm free of time, the cosmic axis of the universe where time does not exist except as an eternal present. It's the realm where stars are born, from where all actual time flows. This borrows a little from Mircea Eliade's writings on myth and its meaning. He explored the idea of time in myth as having two natures, an eternal mythological time, and a renewable 'secular' time. Dunsany in one of his stories had a wonderful image of a great beast or being turning the pages of a huge book, black to white, white to black, as the nights turned into day and back again. And of course, I'm influenced by Norse mythology as well since that's one of my interests.
anyway, the ecruos was chaos, which is why when orion freely gave up the ale to the creature, it was destroyed. the ale is 'perfect order'. with it, orion threatened to 'ignite a universal holocaust.' at the very least, orion could have used the ale to destroy the universe.
the ecruos reminds me very much of nidhoggr, the creature of norse myths that gnaws at yggdrasil. however, the way dc is set up, both clockwerx and ecruos seemed more like vertigo-type characters (lucifer et al, . . .) i found the cosmology that simonson outlined very cool, but i'm not sure how it fits in with dc's overall cosmology.
nonethless, ecruos was enormously powerful (anti-source it is named elsewhere) and the ale was powerful to destroy the universe which would put its power on at least the universal scale, depending on how you view dc. it doesn't really have a multiversal scheme, so universe means more in dc than marvel.
The Gods had help from the Hecatonchires, the Gigantes and Cyclopes; so the Titans were outnumbered and the battle STILL lasted a decade.
In this battle, DS is on his own. Thanos owns him like Cronus would've owned Zues in a one-on-one.
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