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Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey this got me thinking. You know how some people say that Cap is PIS riddled, I was just thinking to myself its not PIS but its his intelligence. On Caps bio its stated that he has extremely high intelligence and lots of other sources state that he is an expert at strategy.

Lets take the Cap vs Absorbing Man fight. If somebody as smart as Cap is fighting somebody with Absorbing Mans powers and intelligence is it possible for that person to beat Creel? I think the answer is yes, the only problem is if you are a writer who does not have extremely high intelligence how are you going to represent that in a comic? What may happen is that Caps opponent ends up looking stupid and it ends up looking like CIS and PIS when its Caps skill and intelligence coming into play.

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Originally posted by Weyoun
Cap is just cool, it's as simple as that. He wins because he's an icon and he finds a way to win, just like Superman.

They are special heroes.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Some people would call that PIS....

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Originally posted by Weyoun
It may be, I would call it inspirational.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok you're new to this forum but the forum rules say np PIS is allowed. Some people on this forum say that the reason why Cap wins alot is only because of the writers I and others are on a mission to prove its not so.

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Originally posted by Weyoun
Of course he wins because of the writers they write the stories and they want them to be inspirational. That's a big floor in this forums rules if it doesn't take into account character shields, like most forums.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont quite understand the second half of what you said the character shields......

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Originally posted by King KAM
Cap wins, because he is Cap.

He goes harder than everyone, hes on teams with 2 GODS, and a bunch of super-powered people,yet he is always the first one in battle and the last one out.

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Originally posted by King KAM
Cap wins, because he is Cap.

He goes harder than everyone, hes on teams with 2 GODS, and a bunch of super-powered people,yet he is always the first one in battle and the last one out.

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Originally posted by Weyoun
Yes Character Shields on good forums are the opposite of PIS. Certain characters are shielded by the writers because they win, that's what they do and a character shielded cap wins because he must. No offense to this boards rules but it's like a game of ACE Trumps and doesn't take into account the bigger picture.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Well character shield sound like PIS. Using that as an argument on this forum doesnt work. Its like sure Cap wins in the comic but in the "real" world cap would lose.

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Originally posted by Weyoun
And therein lies the problem with this forum, it's ules fail to acknoledge the nobility and spirit of certain characters who will overcome the odds time and time again because that's what they do.

It's not about P.I.S. it's about the extra power that characters like Cap and Superman have over all the others, the power of indomitable spirit and refusal to say die. That's what there real power is and not the trading card power set.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Integrity feat

This is a cap integrity feat. Let me explain the context. If you look at the top panel it explains how Cap was defeated hundreds of times by a reality warping Korvac. Every time Korvac beat Cap he would send him back in time and let him remember his deafeats. This happened hundreds of times but eventually Cap wore down the godlike Korvac!

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To truly understand what makes Captain America who he is its not about his shield or even his fighting ability its about his heart. Cap has such a big and pure heart sometimes this enables him to beat powerful beings where other heroes would fail. Cap is one of the few heroes that can lift Thors hammer and Cap once used Thors hammer to save his life. This is why when the super heroes get together Cap leads them, his intregrity is so great.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Actually thats a good point. I was the only person in the Captain respect thread to put down an integrity feat. Here what I wrote:




I dont even think Integrity feats have been done before. Im sure even in the real world a persons spirit will help them overcome the odds but not all the time! Lots of people with noble spirits are overcome in the real world. So yes it would help but it would not work all the time.

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Originally posted by Weyoun
Of course they will, good post by the way. You see why this forum needs character shields it's stops all the "insert stupid character" beats Cap, Superman, Sppiderman etc. Those special type of characters win because ofthe spirit and integrity they have. They are the heroes among the heroes, the icons.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah...but its not going to work all the time.....sometimes you need some power behind the will. Are you capfangirl by the way?

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Originally posted by Weyoun
I like Cap yes. I like Superman, i like the icoic heroes, i guess it's a girl thing, I am not really into these heroes with feet of clay. To me they are not heroes, give me a Steve Rogers, Peter Parker, or Kal El over most other losers anyday.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey this got me thinking. You know how some people say that Cap is PIS riddled, I was just thinking to myself its not PIS but its his intelligence. On Caps bio its stated that he has extremely high intelligence and lots of other sources state that he is an expert at strategy.

Lets take the Cap vs Absorbing Man fight. If somebody as smart as Cap is fighting somebody with Absorbing Mans powers and intelligence is it possible for that person to beat Creel? I think the answer is yes, the only problem is if you are a writer who does not have extremely high intelligence how are you going to represent that in a comic? What may happen is that Caps opponent ends up looking stupid and it ends up looking like CIS and PIS when its Caps skill and intelligence coming into play.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No PIS and plot device are different. Spiderman is smart. If he were to make a device to take out Venom, or come up with something on the fly, that would be believable (but a plot device, and thus not applicable by the rules). PIS would just be the opponent fighting dumb or getting weaker.

Cap would have to use a plot device to win, if he "just beats him" then it's PIS. Simple really.

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Originally posted by King KAM
but cap doesnt just beat people...he emposes his will son...his wiill!!!!!!!!


*gets held back by Alfheim* NAH SON!!!! EFF DAT SON!!! LET ME AT HIM!!!! LET ME AT HIM!!!!

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Cap would have to use a plot device to win, if he "just beats him" then it's PIS. Simple really.