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darth siphon
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ROTS Darth Vader vs. Kyle Katarn

Who would win kyle or anakin when he's darth vader in ROTS.
3 rounds

1)force battle in senate room where yoda and sidious fought

2)lightsaber battle in hall ways of tantive IV

3)force+ligthsaber battle on coruscant map from battleront II

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Which Kyle? NJO? DN? JA?

If it's NJO and beyond, he takes all three.


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is it ROTS vader in the suit? he gets crushed for sure

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1.) Force Battle- Kyle wins
2.) Lightsaber duel- Kyle was the Battlemaster of NJO, so he's da*n good. Anakin is also really good. It could go either way, though I am leaning toward Kyle Katarn.
3.) Kyle has much more better Force moves than Anakin. He'll use that plus his skill with the saber to beat Anakin.


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what form is kyle using? or in NJO they dont follow the traditional forms anymore

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I think vader wins, if u mean the eu or comic vader,


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Re: ROTS Darth Vader vs. Kyle Katarn

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Who would win kyle or anakin when he's darth vader in ROTS.
3 rounds

1)force battle in senate room where yoda and sidious fought

2)lightsaber battle in hall ways of tantive IV

3)force+ligthsaber battle on coruscant map from battleront II


1) Kyle
2) Vader
3) Kyle


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As much as I am in love with Hayden, his character Anakin dies. How exactly can he overcome a guy who took out the seven Dark Jedi, all while he had no real training? Now (if NJO/DN Kyle), he is a fully trained Jedi Master, and Battlemaster of the New Jedi Order.

Firstly, in terms of dueling - he was able to defeat Sariss. She is a very formidable duelist, and master lightsaber user as noted by Qu Rahn "Out of all the Dark Jedi I have met, Sariss is the one I can say I fear. Powerful, strong in both the physical and mental arenas of the Force, she is a master, a perfectionist, quiet and reserved. This makes her a very dangerous foe." Anakin's probably better than Sariss, however, I'd be willing to bet she'd give him a very good fight.

He also faced against Boc, the insane Twi'lek that Jerec had picked, so we can obviously gauge he was powerful. He used dual lightsabers, and used an unorthodox style as well, which as far as I recall, was said to "slay many Jedi". As well, he took on Pic and Gorc, two "brothers" who were described as: "Pic is the energy and Gorc, the counter. They are the clashing balance of opposites: one, the voice; the other, the body. This combination is deadly." As it would seem this is so. And again I remind you that he had little to no real Jedi training.

As well, there was also Yun, who was young and somewhat inexperienced, but nonetheless powerful, "These elements make him a dangerous and unpredictable foe." And finally - for lightsaber combat - there's Maw, who's only half a body anyways, lol, but is still described as a "strong and formidable foe". He uses Trispzest lightsaber form, and he is a strong duelist in any case. Kyle also took on Mara Jade with no training either, and while she may not be near the best - she is still decent. Given what we know of Kyle, and the fact he's now a fully trained Jedi Master - I honestly don't see Anakin beating him. I especially don't see the headstrong, even more arrogant Vader beating him (assuming you mean pre-suit Vader, not post).

Secondly, in terms of the Force he took on Jerec, who did receive training Sidious, Jocasta Nu, and Lord Vader. He was also capable of cutting people off from the Force: "Jerec has the uncanny power to absorb and overshadow one’s connection to The Force", and was a fully trained Jedi. Qu Rahn had brought up the point that if Jerec were to get a boost from the Valley of the Jedi, his power would be described as such:

"If Jerec captures this power, he will be a creature such as the universe has never seen. A supernova of stars in a fleeting thought. The eradication of life from a star system in a whisper will be within his power."

And Jerec did get a boost from the Valley of the Jedi when fighting Kyle, see this quote: "Jerec turned, extended his hand, and triggered an explosion" which means he just casually stuck out of hand and an explosion happened. Kyle still defeated him even with no real training. And, Jerec was also viewed as one of the galaxy's biggest threats. Also, keep in mind that Kyle also got a nice little boost from the Valley of the Jedi afterwards. And against that opponent, who had that kind of power, Kyle was able to cut Jerec's connection to the Force off:

"The Jedi fell, struggled to stay aloft, and fell again. Something, or someone, had cut his access to the dark side of the Force..."

And if you want to count the Darkside ending, which I see no reason why you shouldn't in terms of abilities because Kyle's powers don't change, he Force pushes Jaden through an entire wall.

So as I said, Kyle takes all three.


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What has Star Wars come to when moustachioued goons can beat Darth Vader? I wonder sometimes...


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just so you know darth vader isn't in the suit

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In that case, it's a stalemate.

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Sorry, Kyle easily whoops Anakin's ass in a Force battle. Hell, he might as well just cut off his connection to the Force, or toss him around like a ragdoll.

Hefner, quit being a fanboy. Read my post above. Kyle clearly wins all three. Where's your argument again? Ah, yeah, I forgot you can't come up with one. Back up your claims, or don't comment.


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advent is right. anakin did kill a few jedi in the jedi temple, but anakin had jedi training and had the help of a whole legion of clones.

when kyle beat the dark jedi, had had no jedi training and i don't remember a bunch of clones helping kyle

plus, anakin would be blind with rage and end up getting pwned much like he did against obi-wan in ROTS


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There is something that Jerec could do without effort. (Is this before or after the valley of the jedi again?).

And Advent, when did Kyle push Jaden through a wall? The only thing I remember is that when Jaden lands on corriban, he is greeted by two jedi, and he pushes one of them through a giant pillar....


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Sorry, Kyle easily whoops Anakin's ass in a Force battle. Hell, he might as well just cut off his connection to the Force, or toss him around like a ragdoll.

Hefner, quit being a fanboy. Read my post above. Kyle clearly wins all three. Where's your argument again? Ah, yeah, I forgot you can't come up with one. Back up your claims, or don't comment.


How am I being a fanboy?

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How am I being a fanboy?


Because Anakin has no chance of stalemating Kyle whatsoever? And you also gave off the impression you're an Anakin fanboy in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t419655.html

So, I could only assume you're being a fanboy here seeing as Kyle wins all three.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by exanda kane
What has Star Wars come to when moustachioued goons can beat Darth Vader? I wonder sometimes...


LOL

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I like Anakin more than Kyle... Never gonna like that guy but he takes it. Alas, poor Anakin...he could have been the greatest....or as great as Luke, anyway.


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so its anakin skywalker vader right? not the suit one

kyle, hmm havnt read much bout him so i duuno

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Originally posted by Advent
Because Anakin has no chance of stalemating Kyle whatsoever? And you also gave off the impression you're an Anakin fanboy in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t419655.html

So, I could only assume you're being a fanboy here seeing as Kyle wins all three.


So just because I don't argee with the popular vote I'm automatically a fanboy?

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