1. Better Warlord (is Vader)
2. Better Leader (is Vader)
3. Most Feared (is Vader. Grevious was feared as well but not as much)
4. Most Tactical/Intelligent? (This is a tie between Vader and Grevious. Both were talented in their own ways)
5. Cooler (Vader looks more cool)
That was only the one Separatist and those two were always having tiffs (thats right, tiffs). But notice him back down and still listen to him after Grievous has a come back for him.
Grievous is too nice. Vader would have force slapped that b!tch or just killed him with a lightsaber...wait Vader did kill Gunray with a lightsaber. 2 points for Vader!!
Yeah, but Grievous couldn't because he knew Sidious would be pissed and kill him, also, Lucas didn't want people to know he could use lightsabers until the duel with Obi-Wan.
I consider Grievous and Vader to be a lot alike; and I have this very strong liking of General Grievous. He's a badass, though RotS didn't show him in such a manner... but as for the whole tolerance of subordinates, they rank just about even, with Vader likely having the least amount of tolerance (but not by much)
And General G here is right. Labyrinth of Evil confirms that the reason that Grievous just didn't nail Gunray in the face or let the Republic kill him when he tried to escape Nemoidia, was because Darth Sidious wouldn't allow it.
Thus, he was forced to only reprimand and threaten him.
Everyone knew Grievous could use lightsabers. Come on the Clone Wars micro-series and don't forget the "collection" Grievous mentioned and shown at the start of ROTS.
If anything I'm sure Grievous was trying to keep the CIS in order for it seem it was beginning to fall apart and if Grievous struck down Gunray other CIS leaders may fear for their lives and withdraw from the CIS.
2. Leader? Since Vader's mere presence could rally troops to fight on, out of fear much of the time, mind you, and since he was quite an iconic figure in the Empire, I'd say Vader.
3. Vader for sure.
4. Grievous could defeat Jedi, yeah, but that doesn't mean he's a brilliant tactician. From what I've seen, his maneuvers haven't all gone too great. Vader's strategy at Hoth is what makes me lean towards him.
5. Vader by a HUGE margin.
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Tangible, no offence, but it is ridiculous to assume that General Grievous was not a skilled tactition. He was the supreme commander of the Confederacy's armies for a reason. Darth Sidious, in fact, hand picked him to lead the droids because he suffered very few defeats as a warlord on Kalee.
Likewise, Vader - and even Anakin himself - was a brilliant military tactition, but I honestly doubt that he was superior to Grievous. One could make an argument that Vader, too, was chosen to be Military Executor for a reason. But don't forget that Grand Admiral Thrawn's military prowess dwarfs Vader's own, though he is inferior on the chain of command.
It depends. I'd say Grievous. He actually had to conquer for the Confederacy. When Vader ascended to power, the Empire was formed from the remains of the Republic - so they already dominated most of the galaxy. Though, I suppose, Vader did have to go back and tame the former CIS worlds.
That said, I'd give this to Grievous, but by a slim margin.
It's a difficult decision. Both of them were excellent commanders, but they both weren't intrinsically exceptional leaders. The leaders of the Confederacy were Darth Sidious and Count Dooku, and the Empire was commanded by Sidious as well.
Vader, however, has shown to be a fitting leader outside of the battlefield as well - so I'll give this to him.
Really, it's nearly equal. Citizens on Coruscant were terrified of General Grievous - moreso than any other Confederacy leader - as he had a notorious reputation for brutality and sadism. Likewise, people across the galaxy were terrified of Vader for the same reasons.
I'd give it a tie.
Tactical? Grievous. Not by a lot.
Sheer intelligence? Ehh... I'm going to have to go with Vader.
General Grievous was a cool character 'till his fight with Obi-Wan. I'd have to give this to Vader.
Vader spent twenty years hunting down and executing survivors of Order 66. I'd say he has this by a considerably massive margin.
Vader is pretty damn strong, but given that Grievous is completely externally cyberkinetic and operated by machines, and that he has four hands - I'd give this to him.
Vader held the superior rank. Thrawn was a Grand Admiral, but they were lower on the chain of command than Vader was. Based on sheer strategic value and expertise, Thrawn should have been even higher than Vader.
The point is that not all supreme commanders or commanders at all are as brilliant in terms of tactics as their underlings and advisors.
If we are only counting ROTS, then we would not know that Grievous can use lightsabers, yes he shows everyone his collection of lightsaber, but that might all they could be, is a collection. Jango Fett killed many jedi, does that mean that he can use a lightsaber? Nope. The Clone Wars series showed himm with the lightsabers, but that is not 100% canon, so people might have guessed or assumed it was just for show or for some poeple who might not have even watched them.
And I agree with you that he was probabky trying to keep the CIS in order as well as not wanting to piss of Sidious.
Nov 22nd, 2006 10:08 PM
