This seems more like a battle of wills, and until someone can prove that they wouldn't be going back and forth, making and unmaking reality, this fight should be a stalemate.
If a Cosmic Cube had the potential to wipe out and recreate the Omniverse when the restrictions were lifted. And the Beyonders are the makers of the Cubes.
I'd go with the Beyonders--however they haven't appeared on panel yet.
Just like Molecule Man has showed his power? He is a cosmic cube that possesse just a fraction of what the Beyonders does.
A single Cosmic Cube merged the 616 reality and another reality then it merged one with the previous two and then it merged a fourth with the other three, nearly causing the Marvel Omniverse to collapse, and it was the very same cosmic cube that undid all the damage done. (It was in the Chaos Engine.)
Mephisto compared a newly crafted CCU to the infinite gems (seperate ore connected I am not aware of).
And again they are just a fraction.
EDIT: Just remembered Thanos used a Single CCU to take control over the entire 616 reality.
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The a single Cube have almost collapsed the entire omniverse and then rebuilt it. It was in Chaos engine sorry if my formulation doesn't say that very clearly.
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To be fair, first reason doesn't really relate though to the comics,
in terms of what Human beings are,
and ... what the BeyonderS are,
Human beings aren't using their own life-force/energies to create w.o.m.d's,
their using outside sources like machines,
to harness energy from other sources themselves.
While in the case of the BeyonderS, (mind you, it's fiction)
it's energy from their own Universe, that seeps into an adjacent Universe that they created,
which opens a tiny rift roughly every 32 years according to Doom,
basically,
if you can figure the geographical locations, time and what have you,
and the means to capture the energy, you get yourself a CCU:
In fact, the LT calls the BeyonderS the "Infinite" and goes on to basically say,
that "a minute bit of their energy" is what makes up a Cosmic Cube's energy/power.
A Cosmic Cube's power doesn't increase with time,
like Kubik said, he's "limited by his omnipotence", (funny, how that's possible)
cause that's all he is, a piece of infinite energy allowed to manifest sentience,
while Human beings can grow further, (again, funny, how that's possible)
This is why Owen Reece has surpassed the Cube being's plateau,
and is now far beyond a Cube being himself,
although he "theoretically" has an equal amount of energy as other Cube beings,
Owen's "potential" for growth because he was a Human being first,
is far greater than that of the others because of said reasons.
This is all Post-retcon btw.
after he merged with Post-retcon Beyonder that is,
which is still canon, the whole Inhuman/Mutant deal turned out to be a farce,
also,
2008 bios of Shaper of Worlds references Owen
and Beyonder still as part of the Cosmic Cube ordeal,
which is good,
cause I wasn't feeling the new ret-con
that seemed to be another once again jammed into Beyonder's timeline.
I'd say the Enclave scientist that bred Warlock
fall into the same category as the example above,
that can't be compared to what the Beyonder are,
and how they create Cosmic Cubes.
I agree. The BeyonderS' full power can't be accurately judged,
but where ever it is, it's ridiculously high,
cause indeed,
we have at-least that "minute bit of energy" to have a slight idea,
of just how much more powerful the BeyonderS must be,
IMO, up there in that top 5, that's more than 5, it's tight!
if after all, said fraction can have so much influence across basically all of Marvel.
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Jul 27th, 2008 01:44 AM
The BeyonderS' full power can't be accurately judged, 
