The Iron Fist example is widely regarded as one of the most ridicolous instances of PIS ever written, though. Iron Fist is easily on the level of the likes of Shang-Chi and Daredevil, no way in hell should Invisible Woman be able to lay a hand on him unless Iron Fist had his legs and hands tied and even then she would have hard time.
And Wrecker isn't actually the most gifted martial artist in the world.
Hey, I don't think she could beat him in a strait up, going all out h2h fight either. But I'm willing to lend a bit of leway to the instance, because it was a training session. And even in the "real" world students manage to tag(and sometimes score a win against) their instructors(especially if the instructor underestimates just how far the student has come). So basically that fight was just showing that Sue has enough skill to give her instructor a run for his money when he fights at HER level, it's not really indicating that she's on HIS level.
Kitty has been able to fight the likes of Ogun, Wolverine and Silver Samurai and win in some cases (Non-holding back)...and has vastly, vastly superior fighting skills feats all around. It's not really much of an debate when you start comparing their feats. http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,117262.0.html
I'm honestly not that familiar with Kitty, so it's entirely possible that she's way above Sue in skill. I was just responding to stormfront posting that one set of scans like they clearly indicated that Kitty was clearly superior to Sue. If Kitty has as many h2h feats as you've said, than I'll agree that she should win. But to post a single fight and act like that's the end of the debate seems a bit far fetched to me(especially when IW has some impressive combat showings also).
1. Are you honestly suggesting that her skill increases if her weapon is made out of her force field? Besides, didn't Kitty end up using her powers also(you know, with the flying, and turning intangible in the last scan)?
1) she depended on her powers. look at teh scans yourself. she wanted danny to grab her bo staff so she could dissipate it. the only reason she knocked him down was because she tricked him by using her powers.
2) your ignoring her fighting skills she displayed prior to the last scan
3) an estimate. there are a lot of fighters in the scan
4) she took out one person who isn't even a good fighter and basically stood still. yeah, real impressive
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