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Shimrra.
Bane is strong, Shimrra's stronger.
Bane is fast, Shimrra's faster.
Bane has good armor, Shimrra has (arguably) better.
Bane has skill, Shimrra fought NJO Luke.
Bane has good force attacks, Shimrra... doesn't give a fvck.
That's arguable. Bane is a beast of a man, a physical giant, and can use the force to enhance his strength.
That's quite clearly wrong, Bane can use force speed and was capable of fighting faster than they eyes of trained force users at a time where he was about 10 times less powerful than he is in BotS.
How so? Vonduun Crab Armour was only slightly resistant to the cutting power of a lightsaber, whereas Bane's armour is completely resistant. And the Vonduun Crab Armour possesses a huge weakness, in that a direct hit to the field nerve cables (which cover the stomach and neck areas) renders the entire armour useless. The Orbalisk Armour also gives Bane many more advantages; Vonduun Crab Armour has nothing on Orbalisk Armour.
Lolz, I can do it too.
Shimrra has skill, Bane fought Kas'im.
^Fun, isn't it.
Now please, Shimrra losing to a tired and wounded Luke who had just fought through an army of Vong doesn't quite compare to having fricking Kas'im beat at one point.
Lol, that's great, I'm sure he won't give a fvck when Bane collapses the entire ground beneath Shimrra's feet.
Right, and there's not one bit of bias factoring on that decision.
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Shimrra has a weapon that has a blade that can have an atomic-diameter thick edge. That'll cut through Bane's armor, given Shimrra's massive strength.
Force speed may help, but, Bane can't use the force to maximum effect. His patterns and saber routines won't help, because when he was confronted with a new type of fighting style, he got his ass kicked. Against "The Scepter of Power" (Shimrra's uber amphistaff), Bane stands no chance, especially since he can't predict his movements with the force. And the force, direct attacks do nothing, and indirect attacks will be negated by Shimrra's speed and reflexes.
Pretty much any force user is fighting Blind against a Vong. Bane wouldn't even be able to comprehend Shimrra, and, for all his strength, is a lamb... with armor... for the slaughter.
I'm really not seeing how Shimrra would be able to generate more cutting power with that than a lightsaber. I mean, we're talking about a fricking lightsaber here, pure energy, something which isn't even solid, which gives it the pressure edge over Shimrra's staff. And you still haven't posted any evidence of Shimrra's 'massive strength'.
Halfway through PoD, he was able to move faster than the eyes of trained force users. So fast, that it seemed like time had stopped still for them. By BotS, he's grown in the force exponentially, and the orbalisk armour constantly pumps him with adrenaline and darkside energies. So unless Shimrra has reflexes on a higher level than trained force users, there's nothing to suggest that Bane won't be able to move too fast for Shimrra to see/react to, cut through the field nerve cables thereby negating the armour (which Shimrra won't be able to prevent because of the whole speed thing), and slice him in half.
By Kas'im... Kas'im is basically The Master of the Lightsaber, and Bane was completely unfamiliar with his fighting style. Anyone would get their asses kicked in that same situation.
Didn't realise the Vong were able to suppress precognition.
1. Bane's speed is on a level where he would be able to whip something up before Shimrra could even react to it.
2. Bane's strength with the force is on such a high level that he can casually pull a moon out of orbit.
3. Bane's control of the force is so great that he can harness the power of over 20 sith master combined with his own, and direct it to destroy an entire planet.
I see no evidence that Shimrra would be able to defend against indirect use of the force from Bane, all things considering.
Are we not working under the premise that Bane will have knowledge of Shimrra and the Vong? If we are, Bane wins each and every time. If not, it will be tougher, but he still pulls it off.
Well Shimmra's on a different level of the force than the one Bane is familiar with, so he can't sense Shimrra, and therefor can't directly affect him with the force. But lightning should work.
So was Tarrful. I bet he could take on full-fledged Sith Lords now, too.
He lost to a Luke who was already wounded and physically exhausted by his ascent through the warship and his battle with the slayers. That's not the best mark of prowess in the world.
Yet we never saw him cut apart a weakened Luke, did we. It's not like Bane's just going to stand there and get hit because he can.
Tarrful's got power comparable whatsoever to the Supreme Overlord? News to me.
why is that, now?
Because he decided to kill Luke with a lightsaber for some reason. That's not exactly something that'd be repeated from battle to battle. From the descriptions we had of Shimrra's power? Not a slouch
No, but it's not like Shimrra will slowly lumber towards him. And I'd say that weakened Luke is still more than a match for most people. Shimrra also almost killed Luke if not for the poison being biotched
Hardly. What can Bane do to harm him? Shimrra's also numerous times stronger than any Yuuzhan Vong, and even an Intendant is double a human's stren
Not to mention Bane can't sense him through the force or use the force on him, so that's a massive disadvantage for a sith right there
I think Faunus' point LS is that physical size does not matter in a fight. It's nice to be a 7'ft tall lumbjerjack in a fight, but that doesn't translate into victory.
My knowledge base on NJO is rather limited, but I am aware that Luke suffered the loss of his youngest nephew. He also had to fight through legions of Vong to get at Shimrra. He was obviously tired and distressed.
Oh come on man. Bane has Orbalisks constantly pumping adrenaline and strength into his system. He is going to be ridiculously strong, even without the force.
Somehow Luke was able to defeat Shimrra without "sensing him through the force," (while tired) and really force precognition is what makes him able to keep pace in lightsaber battles. Bane has the benefit of lightsaber resistant armour, superiour regenerative abilities, and he also has adrenaline and strength constantly pumping into his system to make himself physically stronger, faster, and aware. He can use the force to augment his speed and strength. In addition to this, he could rip apart the ground, throw trees, boulders, etc.,
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That's great, but Shimrra's raw physical strength could very well
He lost his nephew about two years ago for one, and yes he was tired. However, he was also using the Force to keep himself going
He isn't going to be half as strong as a beast like Shimrra....Shimrra is about...nine feet tall and all of that is muscle....his species' politicians are twice as powerful as a human, and Shimrra Jamaane has been biologically teched to hell and back
Oh yeah, a boulder Shimrra's just going to slice out of the air? And Luke had a benefit of five years learning how to fight Vong and gain access to the Unifying Force.
So, Shimrra has lightsaber resistant armor, is almost untouchable to Bane and is one of the physically strongest beings in the Star Wars galaxy who has biotech constantly augmenting his strength and speed.
Having killed three of his assailants, he was facing only one opponent, but his energy was beginning to flag. It was not fatigue born of fear of going to the dark side, but simple exhaustion, and Shimrra was moving in.
After having been battered and slashed by the slayers, too.
He's actually under the eight-foot mark, but okay. No one's denying that he's strong, but that doesn't mean he can just overpower anyone he fights.
WTF are you talking about? A 500-pound boulder sent hurtling through the air would snap Shimrra's amphistaff like a twig.
His "lightsaber resistant armor" lost him his head. Nice. He's hardly untouchable, despite what you would like to think, and physical strength is almost never a deciding factor between SW duelists. Likewise, I could say that Bane has -actual- saber-resistant armor, is probably untouchable to Bane due to his speed, and isn't a slouch in the strength department himself.
Yeah, bull. It's something of a contest, and ends with Bane taking Shimrra's head off and playing with it.
I suppose Yoda is going to get owned by Vader because the latter has greater physical strength? Your joking, right?
Anyways, I would argue whether Shimrra even possessed as much physical strength as Bane.
That doesn't stop the fact that he was tired as hell, and he was fighting the Vong who killed his nephew (Am I right?) He'd be fighting hard enough to control the darkside from taking over, not to mention all his fatigue.
Either way we can't judge much from Shimrra nearly winning against a tired Luke.
Dess is seven feet tall, and pure muscle. He has the force to augment his strength in conjunction with several orbalisks injecting him with adrenaline and strength. His armour supplies him with amazing regenerative capabilities, covers nearly all known parts of his body, and is capable of healing deep wounds instantaneously.
He could rip the ground underneath Shimrra's feet. He has several indirect methods to disorient his foe.
And dude, a tree falling on Shimrra is really going to hurt, no matter how you look at it.
Heh, I would say the same with Bane. He is almost untouchable to Shimrra. Plus he has the force to augment his strength and speed, and the added strength supplied by his armour. Add in regenerative capabilities and Bane has it in the bag.
Indeed.
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