This thread does not makes sense. Marka Ragnos is an unknown when it comes to talking about his personal Force abilities.
Regarding Ragnos:
It is however stated that he had a frightening grasp of the dark side power, so he would be naturally very good. He is also a talented individual as he successfully managed to unify the Sith Empire under his command and ruled it for about 100 years.
He also uses a sceptor, which can perform Force Drain.
Regarding Yoda:
Yoda is however proven to be very strong in the Force and he is among the most powerful Jedi ever known in the Star Wars Universe. He can counter many dark sided attacks by himself. His TK abilities are specially very exceptional and he has vast amount of experience at his disposal. He have lifted heavy objects with the Force, deflected Force Lightning with bare hands, was capable enough to destroy a very large Droid with the Force and could also perform Force Wave.
He also have fought against Darth Sidious and held his own against him in the entire duel.
Conclusion:
Thus in this fight one person is unknown and the other well known. So it is really hard to decide that who will win this case. Things might favor Yoda but I do not know.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jun 20th, 2007 at 06:04 AM
Well, from what I've gotten from my brother (I'll be saying this a lot) Marka Ragnos is ridiculously strong. Even stronger than Yoda. Kreia was awed by his high level of Force and physical strength. And as a rule of thumb Sith get stronger from one generation to the next unless something drastic happens like they get wiped out (yet again ). This would mean that Ragnos was the strongest Sith to have lived in all of the Sith Empire because they had never been wiped out. That means he's better than guys like Adjunta Pall and Tulak Hord. It's mainly being stronger than Hord that I'm concerned about. Kreia said that Hord would make KOTOR Masters look like children with toys (not in those exact words). That means they were stinking good, probably better than anyone to have come after them.
So Ragnos is probably extremely good with a saber (better than Yoda I believe) and has the advantage of attacking with Force Attacks where Yoda will only use it in a Lightside way.
Ragnos never used a saber. He used the sith sword which was is what in is in his scepter (the scepter of ragnos). There are only two known battles he was in. Ragnos defeated Simus for the title of dark lord. Then when he possessed Tavion he was beaten by Jaden Korr. So I would say he is not uber with a sword just yet we need to see more duels involving him particularly when his alive., he has not been alive in his own body in any of his appearances. And Yoda was able to give Sidious the most powerful sith ever a run for his money si I wouldn't say he is better then Yoda.
And notice how the thread is a force battle no saber/ sword action.
In case people didn't know, Ragnos' inferior, an ancient sith lady that featured in the TotJ Companion, was able to wipe out the life of an entire planet with one force attack...
I agree with you, Gideon, but don't you think Kreia's words might actually mean something? I mean, she was the Jedi historian & chronicler after all, and saying "The Masters of today are children playing with toys compared to the Masters of the past" (or something like that) must say something.
Just pointing that out, not that I think Ragnos owns Yoda.
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Kreia's words do 'count for something'. She's a notoriously well-informed Sith who functions primarily as a teacher. That said, she is also a fallible character. Her statements indeed count as evidence, but what she says is not fact or gospel. It can't stand alone.
It is indeed some speculation, but this isn't something we can go look at, it's just pages in a book (or comic). Some degree of speculation, when mixed with evidence (such as Kreia's words) can be the best solution. For all we know what happened to Dooku against Anakin may happen to Yoda against Ragnos due to the huge difference in physical strength.
As I've just alluded to, Kreia's words are a poor substitute for the opinions expressed by the omniscient narrator, on-panel evidence, or quotes made by other credible sources. Marka Ragnos has little going for him in the lieu of evidence. No proof to support that he is - in any way - more powerful than Yoda. Whereas the omniscient narrator of the RotS novelization officially declares Yoda "the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known" - essentially saying that he is the strongest Jedi in history up to that point [if you want to get technical, it also means he is the strongest light side Force user in history prior to Luke].
We also have confirmed that Palpatine is the most powerful Sith Lord in history, putting him above Ragnos as well. They stalemated in their duel in RotS as well, making the most logical choice: Yoda wins.
If you want my opinion(and you do you morons), I think the authors did a bad job with the inconsistencies. Saying Ragnos had titanic force powers and a frightening grasp of the dark side, then putting him below Yoda(in terms of a debate of the known and unknown), and then having Jaden Korr defeat his spirit, the authors pretty much destroyed Ragnos' character. Someone needs to make a book about him already.
No, what was stupid were those who tried to portray the older Sith as the 'superior' or stronger Sith, when in reality, the newer Sith were vastly more effective.
Lol Ragnos would OWN him in a saber duel i dont know bout force but even Darth Traya sayed this
And i Quote (Kreia Talking about Marko Ragnos's Tomb) "If you were to see a Ancient Sith Lord such as Ragnos weilding a Lightsaber you would think we were only mere children playing with toys"
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Jun 20th, 2007 05:27 AM
). This would mean that Ragnos was the strongest Sith to have lived in all of the Sith Empire because they had never been wiped out. That means he's better than guys like Adjunta Pall and Tulak Hord. It's mainly being stronger than Hord that I'm concerned about. Kreia said that Hord would make KOTOR Masters look like children with toys (not in those exact words). That means they were stinking good, probably better than anyone to have come after them.
