What the hell? You posted twice in a row saying different things...anyway, Anakin should takes, but I think it'd be a tough fight. Mace was far from at his best when he fought her and even then didn't seem to be going his hardest.
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Hmm... this is "in teh zone" Anakin, yet he is using the Dark Side, which will actually hel[ Depa because of Vaapad. Yet, in this stage Anakin still beat Dooku (albeit, a tired Dooku). However, in this stage I see Anakin being more powerful than any movie character (though Mace could likely still beat him, but only because of Vaapad). Depa isn't as good as Mace - Mace was exhausted when he fought her in Shatterpoint and he still won. Yes, he says she is better than he is, but he also says that Kenobi is better than he is, which we know is not true.
Mace saying that does not mean she could even fight him, and taking out some clones I hope is not what you are referring to in that it would make the fight difficult for him.
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I second this.
Seriously, you all have to be the most ignorant group of posters I have ever seen. I bet none of you can point Depa out in the movies without consulting Google image search first. Has anyone here read the novel Shatterpoint? Anyone? Hell, has anyone read any of the Clone Wars novels here? Or just watched the cartoons?
I've read Shaterpoint plenty of times; it's my favorite book. For whoever Depa is Mace's equal, you're sadly mistaken. Mace indicated that her Vaapad surpassed his own.
How can you have posted on here for so long and know so little about Star Wars?Mace saying something about somebody that he thought highly of does not do that. Point to one thing she did in Shatterpoint that would put her even close with ROTS Anakin in a fight.
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Mace indicated that her swordplay seemed to surpass his own, and the way in which she gave herself to the dark side on the planet gave her incredible strength, but the bottom line is that while she was able to put up one hell of a fight with him (And effortlessly slaughter armed guards in mere seconds in the gunship battle) Mace did defeat her in the end. Mace created Vaapad and was, to quote material, the only living master.
Yes, you could be. If your list comes exclusively from the movies, chances are you haven't touched enough EU material. Characters like Luminara Unduli, Anoon, Qui-Gon, Maul, etc. could all contend with Anakin or beat the snot out of him.
This coming from perhaps the most ignorant-savvy of the regular posters here these days, kiddo. The height of your reasoning power makes my cat look like a genius.
Mace, as seen in many places such as Dark Rendezvous, does not hand out compliments lightly. Even if his words might be hyperbolic, the point stands that she's a worthy opponent and likely the only person who can hold a candle to him using Vaapad.
There's one scene where she attacks a gunship, and slaughters everyone onboard (A strike team of about six, if I remember. Perhaps more) before they can even react to shoot her down in the enclosed space. Anakin has apparently slaughtered droids which R2-D2 can handle on a one-on-one basis and some defenseless younglings and some Neimodians, if I remember correctly.
You also should remember Depa feigned weakness at first and then speared a surprised Mace through the gut with her saber. Mace is also trying to keep her alive throughout the fight
This's a bit of an unfair assertion...Anakin is really damn good as seen in his ability to hang with Ventress and fight-and defeat- Durge. Anakin is pretty high up as far as power and ability are concerned.
No, Mace doesn't hand out compliments lightly. However, you should also heed where he says Anakin is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive and only getting stronger
He's also defeated Asajj Ventress, who was able to take on Kit and Obi-wan simultaneously, defeat Durge, who was a combatant in the Old Sith Wars a thousand years back-and Durge is an absolute demon in a fight...to demonstrate some of Anakin's power:
When Glaive and Obi-wan attempt to force push Durge, he leans back and little and says "Like THAT'S never happened to me before!"
When Anakin does so, Durge is hurled across the room into a wall.
Durge also compliments Anakin as the 'fastest Jedi he's killed' and, as Durge puts it: "And I've killed a LOT of Jedi."
Further feats from Anakin include: Defeating Aurra Sing in single combat, as well as, at the age of 13, kill Krayn, a notorious slaver and feared warrior, pictured here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:1krayn.JPG
Also factoring in, by ROTS, Anakin is good enough to defeat Cin Drallig in combat, the Jedi battlemaster, and judging by "Order 66: Destroy all Jedi", he did this without assistance from the Clone Troopers
It's not that much of a stretch. I wouldn't say any of them would defeat Anakin, but it's not beyond any of them to tie him up for a bit. Maul and Luminara especially could hang with him rather well in saber combat.
True. But that doesn't mean he can instantly manhandle anyone other than Yoda, Mace, Palpatine and Obi-Wan - not that you were implying this, but I thought I might address the point.
As it is, there are numerous characters in the PT era that give him a run for his money, and some may have a chance at beating him.
Actually, she took them on separately. She defeated Kit in a short but fierce battle, and then lost to Obi-Wan in a prolonged duel - which she would have won if it were not for Fisto's intervention.
And to be fair to Ventress, Anakin only beat her after giving into his rage - she managed to disarm him and bring him to his knees before he got really pissed off and broke her wrist with his mechanical hand. The second such encounter went pretty much the same way. She mocked him endlessly, and even scratched up his face while laughing about how she could have just taken off his head. Until he goes AWOL, a number of Anakins opponents seem to be able to contend with him very well, and even gain the upper-hand.
Obi-Wan managed to defeat him, too, and a much earlier stage in the war. He just didn't kill him.
For one, Glaive is never noted to be particularly strong in the Force, and both he and Obi-Wan - putting aside the brutal beatings they've taken in battle - are already suffering from the effects of the virus on Ohma'Dun, if I remember correctly. Also, you'll note that this encounter took place fairly early on in the war, before Obi-Wan had really improved by a considerable amount. Anakin fought him two months before RotS, so he was practically at his peak. Big difference.
Note: the fastest Jedi he's killed. Even though this is obviously a premature statement on his part, I doubt any Jedi he's killed, Sith War or later, was on the level of people like Maul, Obi-Wan, or Depa.
Regarding Drallig; I really doubt that this guy could tangle with Depa or Maul at their best and come out on top. He's never shown any notable skill, and the only forms we should assume he's mastered are Niman and/or Shii-Cho.
As to the argument as a whole; no one's saying Anakin is weak. He's quite obviously one of the very best of his era, and there aren't a ton of people throughout the EU who could take him in a fight. But that being said, he isn't beyond defeat, as Obi-Wan proved. Against opponents like Darth Maul or Luminara, he will find himself considerably hard-pressed. And facing someone who can give herself to the Dark side as fully as he can, while still keeping a clear head and wielding truly formidable lightsaber capabilities, it's not that far out to say that he could lose.
@Kiddo: While LS here can actually debate, you have no argument or points of your own whatsoever, so I suggest you step back and stop being a jackass.
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man you are just clueless. 
