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Omega Vision
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Venom vs Cheetah (Minerva) slugfest

Cheetah's speed is cut down to Spider-Man levels.

Who wins?

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Cheetah, easily. She's way tougher and stronger.


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I give this to venom. To versatile.


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I give this to venom. To versatile.


What's he going to do? She's strong enough to break webbing/has claws that can cut it, and physical to physical she outmatches him badly in strength and can take a heck of a lot more defensively. Skilled fighter too.

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What's he going to do? She's strong enough to break webbing/has claws that can cut it, and physical to physical she outmatches him badly in strength and can take a heck of a lot more defensively. Skilled fighter too.


He can turn invisible and grow in height and do numerous of things or he could just simply take over her body. He can also suffocate her, put a thousand spike around his body so that she wont be able to touch him, etc....


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He can turn invisible and grow in height and do numerous of things or he could just simply take over her body. He can also suffocate her, put a thousand spike around his body so that she wont be able to touch him, etc....


She has super-senses that'll make detecting him not a problem even invisible, she can slice apart symbiont tendrils and such if he tried to suffocate her, and generally kill him quite messily for trying. Even grown he's quite a bit weaker.

Spikes is nice, but it's not so nice when it results in some small cuts that her healing factor will manage in no time in exchange for a ripped out heart when she decides to go for it anyway, y'know? In marvel terms she'd be a class-100+ with adamantium claws.

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In marvel terms she'd be a class-100+ with adamantium claws.


laughing out loud damn where do these guys come from...

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laughing out loud damn where do these guys come from...


Well, remember- she's a *Wonder Woman* villain who's come close to killing Diana on a few occasions smile Most WW villains pack at least some physical might, and the biggies tend to be really strong.

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Well, remember- she's a *Wonder Woman* villain who's come close to killing Diana on a few occasions smile Most WW villains pack at least some physical might, and the biggies tend to be really strong.



I still wouldnt say that she's class 100 and I also dont think that her claws is as strong as you say they are.


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Depends on how magic affects the symbiote, imo.


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Cheetah stomps

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Well, remember- she's a *Wonder Woman* villain who's come close to killing Diana on a few occasions smile Most WW villains pack at least some physical might, and the biggies tend to be really strong.


no its just funny how you used "marvel-speak" and your comparisons was a little too off which caused some amusement.

Anyway i think Cheetah would beat Venom. H2H combat skills are good and so is her relexes & speed. IMO her strength is no where close to cl100. Unless you have scans of some serious strength and no "she is a WW villian" is not enough for me (nor should it be for anyone imo).

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I still wouldnt say that she's class 100 and I also dont think that her claws is as strong as you say they are.


Well they can carve Superman and Wonder Woman and other stuff, and she can go strength to strength against top tiers and not come out too badly.

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no its just funny how you used "marvel-speak" and your comparisons was a little too off which caused some amusement.


Well, DC doesn't have strength classes, just terms like "Alpha-1" strength (and even then, like, 5~ characters are rated), so might as well use Marvel's.


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IMO her strength is no where close to cl100. Unless you have scans of some serious strength and no "she is a WW villian" is not enough for me (nor should it be for anyone imo).



I do smile

Right here. It's the male Cheetah who stole Minerva's power temporarily, but he wasn't any more powerful than she was and was eventually killed by her. Both Superman's comment and slamming him around with the tail (and punching him through a lot of stuff to get there).

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no its just funny how you used "marvel-speak" and your comparisons was a little too off which caused some amusement.

Anyway i think Cheetah would beat Venom. H2H combat skills are good and so is her relexes & speed. IMO her strength is no where close to cl100. Unless you have scans of some serious strength and no "she is a WW villian" is not enough for me (nor should it be for anyone imo).


When Cheetah was first rebooted after CoIE, she was in the SpiderMan or so category of strength; since then, she has improved dramatically (as the one scan of (male) Cheetah vs. Superman where Supes remarks on how the Cheetah "hits like Diana... or Captain Marvel" indicates -- the recent 5 years of Barbara Minerva's Cheetah is even faster/more powerful than Sebastian's was...). While Supes statement may be a slight bit of hyperbole in terms of "todays" scaling (I don't see Barbara picking up a skyscraper anytime soon), in Old-School Marvel terminolgy, she is most definitely Class100 strength. Still, it is her speed that is the clincher here: she isn't going to "play" with Venom, in a forum fight, as she often does with many of her opponents in a "story" fight: she will literally rip him apart in fractions of a second. He won't have time to mount a viable counter-strike. And even if he got the drop on her, she is very durable nowadays, and could take blows that might fell a "lesser" metahuman (such as Spiderman, relatively speaking). Her claws aren't as durable as adamantium, but conceptually it is accurate to picture Wolverine fighting with a combat speed approaching that of the Flash's, and while her HF isn't like Logan's, her durability is a measure better.

Venom does have versatility, though, and is still a tough cookie...

Barbara: 8/10.


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When Cheetah was first rebooted after CoIE, she was in the SpiderMan or so category of strength;



Here/are scans from their very first fight. She was around as strong as Wonder Woman even then.

Btw, *this* Cheetah, Barbara Minerva, is purely post-Crisis, those scans were shortly after the reboot. The earlier Cheetahs were different, weaker characters, which may be who you're thinking of, or animated Cheetah, who's biologically enhanced rather than a god-champion and more on that level. Minerva hasn't had a lot of powerups. Mostly just how easy she can transform into Cheetah, and the recent speed boost.


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Really, the only thing preventing Minerva from being top tier is that she has no flight or side abilities, just speed, strength, toughness, and claws. But in those she's at or near top tier in each.


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I see this pretty much going the same way "Northstar" vs. Venom went


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I see this pretty much going the same way "Northstar" vs. Venom went
you didn't read the OP, did you? erm


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Wait, is this the sucky Venom?

I mean, Cheetah should win regardless, but I need to know whether it's Gargan or Brock getting beat here.


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you didn't read the OP, did you? erm


I didn't actually, my mistake.


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What strenght class is Cheetah in?

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