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Synnar vs. Mandrakk

How this goes? Original Mandrakk


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Synnar partook story took place in one universe, and was a threat to that universe.

Jim Starlin tends to limit himself to one universe. Read Marvel: The end for further confirmation.

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Synnar partook story took place in one universe, and was a threat to that universe.

Jim Starlin tends to limit himself to one universe. Read Marvel: The end for further confirmation.
In general, I agree (particularly with the last bit.) But if Synnar's words are to be believed, he was a confirmed multiversal power..

"A full spectrum of realitieS did I fabricate":

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Not that it matters, though. Mandrakk is above concepts like universal/multiversal -- he is, quite literally, the antithesis of creation itself.


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Originally posted by Galan007
In general, I agree (particularly with the last bit.) But if Synnar's words are to be believed, he was a confirmed multiversal power..

"A full spectrum of realitieS did I fabricate":

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Not that it matters, though. Mandrakk is above concepts like universal/multiversal -- he is, quite literally, the antithesis of creation itself.


Not to mention, he created Lucifer and Michael.

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Originally posted by Galan007
But if Synnar's words are to be believed, he was a confirmed multiversal power..

"A full spectrum of realitieS did I fabricate":

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I was referring to the page prior to the one you posted, or more specifically, this panel.

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Not to mention, he created Lucifer and Michael.

That he didn't, Vertigo's cosmological origin and structure is completely different.

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I was referring to the page prior to the one you posted, or more specifically, this panel.

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That he didn't, Vertigo's cosmological origin and structure is completely different.


He commented on Lucifers fall, and said he thought god was too harsh, citing that he and Michael were his children.

While Lucifer and Michael may not be the specific ones from Vertigo, Michael was still lording over Spectre in Ostranders run and doing the Presences will, so even in mainstream DC he's incredibly powerful..

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Synnar partook story took place in one universe, and was a threat to that universe.

Jim Starlin tends to limit himself to one universe. Read Marvel: The end for further confirmation.


Didn't Thanos destroy the multiverse in The End?


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He commented on Lucifers fall, and said he thought god was too harsh, citing that he and Michael were his children.

You refer to this scene.

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Neither of the names were mentioned and the scenery seemed to be more symbolical than anything else. Synnar's "children" are supposedly the life he created.

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Didn't Thanos destroy the multiverse in The End?

To my understanding Jim Sarlin treated all of Marvel as a single universe, hence the exessive use of the term in the series. But no, the term multiverse was never applied.

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You refer to this scene.

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Neither of the names were mentioned and the scenery seemed to be more symbolical than anything else. Synnar's "children" are supposedly the life he created.


Looks like you're right.

But what about Ostranders Spectre run, where they also mention the fall and show Lucifer and Michael?

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plus in lucifers series there were appearances by dc characters.

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Lucifer also had a few appearances in Etrigan's book


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Originally posted by Galan007
In general, I agree (particularly with the last bit.) But if Synnar's words are to be believed, he was a confirmed multiversal power..

"A full spectrum of realitieS did I fabricate":

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Not that it matters, though. Mandrakk is above concepts like universal/multiversal -- he is, quite literally, the antithesis of creation itself.

Yeah only Uber Abstracts like CA Superman or No-PIS/CIS Batman could beat him.


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Originally posted by Astner
I was referring to the page prior to the one you posted, or more specifically, this panel.
That panel is referring to what God intended Synaar to create. The scan I posted has Synnar telling us what he actually created - ie. "a full spectrum of realitieS".

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Looks like you're right.

But what about Ostranders Spectre run, where they also mention the fall and show Lucifer and Michael?
What about it?

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Yeah only Uber Abstracts like CA Superman or No-PIS/CIS Batman could beat him.
What's funny is the Cosmic Armor was built by Mandrakk himself (when he was Dax Novu.) So he essentially beat himself.


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What's funny is the Cosmic Armor was built by Mandrakk himself (when he was Dax Novu.) So he essentially beat himself.

It's a bit like a werewolf entrusting a gun with a silver bullet to his loved ones for when the full moon rises. Wasn't the Cosmic Armor also built as a prison of sorts to keep him locked away?


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It's a bit like a werewolf entrusting a gun with a silver bullet to his loved ones for when the full moon rises.

Wasn't the Cosmic Armor also built as a prison of sorts to keep him locked away?
Heh, yeah pretty much.

The CA wasn't built to keep him imprisoned, per se. It was built first and foremost to seal over the 'flaws' (ie. stories) Dax found upon examining the multiverse. If said flaws would have been allowed to run rampant/unchecked, they could have eventually damaged the Overvoid:

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Didn't Mandrakk later on become a threat to the Overmonitor itself?


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What about it?


Well, if Ostrander already established Lucifer rebelled against god, then it doesn't matter whether Starlin mentions Lucifer by name as the celestial that rebelled. It's implied.

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