Beyonder turns the Source into toilet paper. By the way, what's "full-power" the Source?
Isn't the Source the same the same thing that Lucifer ignored without consequences?
The Source was split in two until recently. Reduced to only half power since the dawn of time. That means that everything he's done up until now was only half powered. Any other supreme beings the beyonder turned into toilet paper? Any one beyond omniversal that the classic beyonder pwned or turned into toilet paper? i seem to remember some multiversal avatars being scared of the beyonder.
no matter where pre-retconn (and pre-depowered) beyonder went, he was omnipotent, only owen reese the other fraction of his leaked power could touch him.
All play a role in the grand design the Presence made but does not make them equal in power just because they play certain function. clearly showing difference in level of power each of those char you listed.
Can the Presence give the power to beat beyonder? Sure but that would make all these battle Presence vs X
I see what you are saying but Marvel would not exist without the Living Tribunal and the Cosmic forces and classic Beyonder > LT and everyone else introduced at that point in time.
by now everyone should at least recognize that these types of arguments go nowhere, whats the point of pitting to abstracts/cosmic entities against each other?
The classic Beyonder Wasn't all powerful. As a property of Marvel, he is still below the TOAA. And We all know that the beyonder DID not create the marvel multiverse. So how can he be all powerful if he didn't create nor sustain someone elses back yard.
Beyonder was all powerful, as confirmed by Jim Shooter.
If I remember right, he eventually embodied all of the Marvel Prime Multiverse as well, in due time.
IF you say that cause he did not create Marvel Mutliverse he can't be all powerful, think of it like this, Beyonder was supreme being in a totally separate verse from Marvel, then Owen Reece somehow blew a hole into the verse, connecting them. Then, Beyonder in turn spread his supremity to Marvel. That's how I see it personally.
Oh, and if I recall right, TOAA technically did not exist back then, the concept of TOAA was not invented til later.
This is just all a hoot to me. The LT has always worked for the one above all. Just becuz we didn't know it means nothing. His bio doesn't say the one above all became his boss. No.
The beyonder couldn't have been all powerful from another reality when he's a marvel character. He wasn't from some seperate comic company and then all of a sudden he oozed in.
Oh and technically wouldn't all that the beyonder used to be, now be the marvel omniverse that the LT is actually more powerful than?
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