Achilles (presume he's not immortal like the legend) and the 50 Myrmidon
Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Boromir (LotR)
Hector, Boagrius, (the big guy Achilles kills at the start of Troy)
Odysseus (Sean Bean's character) The other big guy from Troy who's name escapes me...the one with the beard and uses the giant hammer
William Wallace, Campbell, Hamish and Steven.
Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo from Rome (probably not allowed but
I added them in anyway.
Maximus with the gladiators he 1st fights with in the coliseum. (about 19 in total)
The Bowery Boys. (Bill the Butchers gang)
The Dead Rabbits. (Vallon's gang)
Nathan Algren
Katsumoto + his 5 most skilled fighters.
Pretty self explanatory. I tried to not add anyone single
Right now I am gonna say the 300 pwns, but lemme watch the vids first.
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Legolas will take the shields of one of the Spartans and surf it on the Spartan's heads, stabbing them with that one arrow before he jumps off the shield and in mid-air fletches his bow and fires that same arrow into Leonidas' skull.
Jesus, the 300 are incredibly outmatched here. Achillis and his myrmidon could quite possibly take the 300 down on a good day. you should really remove Achillis and his Myrmidon or just remove everyone else except them and the lotr characters.
Unless you change the list and give the 300 Spartans more numbers im going with Achillis and the Myrmidon. I see the 300 going down fast.
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The 300 killed countless Persians without losing a man in the opening battle. The myrmidons lost men before they even got off their boat and then more once they had. I think you're over estimating their ability.
300 defeats Pitt and his 50, good battle but it's 6 to 1.
300 defeats the LOTR crew, they lose many a guy, mainly due to Legolas' bow. (How many arrows?)
300 defeats the Troy lackeys.
300 defeats the Brave Hearts, easy.
300 defeats the Rome duo, easy. These guys were bad-ass though.
300 defeats the Gladiator crew, easy.
300 defeats both Gangs, if the Gangs are able to break through the Spartan line, it will be a decent battle, with the 300 winning at the end, if the can't break the Spartan line, it will be little more than a
slaughter.
300 defeats the Samurai, they'll probably take a few Spartans out via bow, once the phalanx closes in, it's over.
Edit: May I remind any fanboys, all teams would be facing a massive wall-shield that has long reaching stabbing spears. Mainly comes down to the 300 having far superior numbers.
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I'd still side with the 300, as that Phalanx would be hard to overcome and the opposing teams wouldn't necessarily fight as one unit. Though it'd be close.
Yeah, they lost men before they got off the boat but after they established formation. They were nearly untouchable. The Myrmidon use phalanx too. The only reason they lost so many men is because Achilles was so anxious to get the battle over with. Had he chosen to do so, he could have ended that war right there.
It wasn't so much skill and strength that gave the Spartans their advantage. It was strategy. Had they not had that position there, they would have been slaughtered within seconds and it wasn't just 300 soldiers. So, on a straight battlefield...,
The Myrmidons will be using the same tactics as the Spartans but they have lighter shields and armor. They move as a raging tide and they also have Achilles. Achilles could quite possible work his way through the horde to Leonidas and strike him down. I'm not saying the Myrmidon can take the 300 soldiers everytime, but i would very seriously wager 4/10. Now couple them with everyone else. Damn dude, it's over. Legalos will just set up shop a mile away and start droppin greeks like rotten olives falling from a long dead vine. And you have all of those new York Gangs...,well thats cannon fodder as the Myrmidons Flank the hell out of the 300. Yeah, there is no chance. Leonidas may have been the man, but he is of the same people of Achilles and Achilles is King.It's just to much.
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Achilles is overrated, if he doesn't have his impenetrable skin. One on one, he could [probably] take anyone on that list; he's not dodging ten+ Spartan spears though, especially of the likes of the 300 crew.
The 300 have no body armor, so I'm guessing that is lighter and far more maneuverable, if you're going for that angle.
Like I said, they'd be facing a wall-shield of 300 guys and a vast array of stabbing spears, really powerful stabbing spears. Achilles crew has this too, but at a sixth the size and they didn't show the sheer awesomeness that the 300 did while in formation, not even close.
The Gangs crew are all single fighters and not one of them has protection, so they may have a hundred+ men, they're not breaking the 300 phalanx formation if thousands of Persians couldn't do it. That key to taking down the 300, breaking their phalanx.
edit: One thing of note, when the Captain's son and the other young guy (forget names) where figthing together in the mist scene, they showed Achilles-like skill, easily taking out guys while using speed and dexterity.
dude, the Phalanx isn't going to work on an open battle field when your being heavily flanked. The phalanx falls apart like a weak cobweb.
As for the Myrmidon not displaying the sheer awsomeness as the 300, well that's matter of opinion i suppose. Where as the entire movie was dedicated to sculpting the spartans penis into a golden Statue, we only get a glimpse at what the Myrmidon are capable of. When they stormed the beach, they did that with a moving phalanx. That hints at their versatility. Once they established that formation they cut down the onslaught of Troy soldiers like a sledge hammer pounding plastic army men. Anytime that the Myrmidon went into battle with the other Greeks, The Trojans lost and lost hard. Without the Myrmidon, the Greeks were constantly being driven back to the beaches.
Unless the Spartans are fighting under the exact same conditions as they were in 300, at the hot gates (bottle kneck) there is no way they can win. It may only take the Spartans half an hour or so to cut through the Gangs of New York but it won't even take the MYrmidon and the Lord of the Rings characters half that time to drop the Spartans as they are distracted and preoccupied.
I only mentioned the light armor because i believe the Myrmidon are fair better outfitted for battle. They may be laced in fine leathers, but their shields are half the size of the Spartans, and they also don't have 6 foot long ass capea to worry about. That will also be a problem for the Spartans. jk Big ass men getting caught up on their capes
I still don't see how Achilles is overrated. Overrated compared to whom? He could best anyone on that list and has just as much and more experience than most. I mean, i know the Spartans and Myrmidon are essentially, but i believe the 300 are overrated. It was seriously, their geographical conditions which granted them such glorious victories.
Achilles, Aragorn and legalos are not stupid enough to get caught in that trap. Those three are far more skilled in battle than Leonidas. Maybe not so much Legalos but definitely Achilles and Aragorn.
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Last edited by jinXed by JaNx on Apr 26th, 2009 at 02:11 PM
How are they "heavily flanked"? (they're not, they have more men)
Because the 300 did that same Phalanx feat against thousands of guys, not hundreds, they also did it against, ogre-men, gigantic battle elephants, bomb tossers etc. etc. etc. The 300 were far superior to the Achilles' men.
Again, they're not out-maned, so there's no need for the bottle-neck maneuver. They have more than enough to cover their flanks with shields and spears.
Without his supposed invulnerability (as it is here) Achilles is overrated in a massive battle. One on one, he's a complete bad-ass; facing a wall of shields and spears, he's not going to be dancing about and killing everything.
The 300 in the movie where nigh super-human, in the opening battle thousands of Persians crushed against the 300 and they held their ground, slammed them back and them slaughtered all without losing a single guy. If that doesn't impress you, I really don't see how the Myrmidon did.
Legolas(one of the best on the team) has his bow, he'll kill one per arrow, most likely, but I doubt he has more than a score of arrows. After that, he has to get close, while the spears have the advantage of reach and the Spartan has near complete protection from helmet, shield and grieves. Same goes for Aragorn, he has to get in close. Achilles is going to have to go in too, I'd suspect he'd go in with his men in formation, otherwise he'd be a fool to try a solo feat against fellow Spartans.
In the end, it comes down to the 300 fighting as one complete unit, that unit being heavily protected and them having the advantage of more.
More things of note, 300 can toss a spear at great distance with pinpoint accuracy, the Persian captain on horseback and the battle rhino who were both skewered. They're also great warriors out of formation.
I do acknowledge that the Spartans were portrayed as being essentially superhuman, but i'm also taking into account that the Myrmidon, LOTR characters, and trojan soldiers were portrayed as superhuman as well. I don't know how the Spartans outnumber the opposing team. There are a shit load of Gang bangers I guess it depends on the formations here but if the Spartans hover together to form one moving unit. Then I see Achilles out strategizing the Spartans very easily.
Again, the Gangs serve as canon fodder as Achilles forces flank and take the rear. With Legalos giving cover from afar, i just don't see how The Spartans can win. Although, i keep going back to who the better strategist is...,Leonidas or Aragorn and Achilles. I'm envisioning that Achilles and Aragorn take command of the forces. If Achilles and or Aragorn could not take control of all of the forces then yean, i'm sure the 300 would win easily. .
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Legolas is the fastest( speed and battle wise) combatant on the field. Even without armor, with those twin short swords he goes to town on some people.
You're ignoring that the Spartans can cover their rear while in formation, easily too, a few rows in the rear only need to turn and go back-to-back, as is side protection. They're experts at fighting like this.
Only way to defeat the 300 is by breaking apart their Phalanx(or sending thousands upon thousands of guys at them to slowly wear them down), even then, the 300 crew are superior lone combatants to most of their enemies here. Aragorn, Achilles, Legolas and a couple others withstanding.
You're also ignoring that the largest group, the Gangs, has no armor and almost no long range weapons, they'll be chewed up far faster than the Persians were, which took mere minutes to kill hundreds, so by the time Achilles' Phalanx reaches the rear, it will be 4-5 on 1.
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Apr 25th, 2009 09:46 AM
jk Big ass men getting caught up on their capes 
