Lava: Anakin's one true weakness. His Achille's heel, if you will.
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this is stupid. we have this thread 6 times over, and it has been discussed for hundreds of pages and ended up Obi-Wan Kenobi every time.
What is the point of this thread?
We don`t all like to go looking for the old ones. And it`s still interesting to see how new members, and old ones with new facts, make of a situation.
By the by, I`ve never read any of the Anakin vs Obi Rematch`s. Why is Kenobi always the winner?
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i was wrong about how lopsidedly it was decided, but i think the consensus at the end of this thread did actually agree with me.
most of the voting went up early in this one, most of my arguments for Obi-wan were posted in between page 3 and 4 i think.... it died off, because no one else posted a good reason that anakin should win beside's reasons that were directly contradicted in the novelization. According to the novel, (as i posted on like page 3) Obi-wan controlled the entire fight. Even when he was getting kicked down a hallway, according to the book, it was exactly what he was trying to do. Now when you take that into account, and figure that exactly what anakin was trying to do was kill obi-wan as quickly as possible, you have anakin failing for a much longer time, as well as ultimately, while according to the novel, obi-wan was perfectly in control.
I think it was the student-master thing that screwed anakin: the whole: i'll teach you everything you know, but not everything i know sort of advantage for obi-wan in combat.
Not to mention that Obi-Wan -- who at that point held both lightsabers -- actually hesitated to kill an unarmed Anakin. Yeah, the novel makes it clear what was going on.
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Obi-Wan. Anakin runs at him, acting emo, and Obi-Wan sidesteps, letting the idiot go over the edge.
Quite frankly, they both did equally well in confined spaces during the final battle in the movie, so I'm not so sure where people are concluding that Anakin will somehow do better. Part of Anakin's ability to fight so well came from plot-induced anger and rage, and partly because Obi-Wan wasn't trying to off him exactly. When you have the virtual master of defensive fighting squaring off against someone who would headbutt a stop sign if it offended him, the conclusion is logical - either Anakin gets lucky and strongarms Obi-wan, or he wears out and makes a fatal mistake.
i think everyone pretty much did come to that conclusion. The novelization provides enough insight into the fight to make a very strong case for Obi-wan's dominance in their fight.
According to the Ultimate Visual Guide, when Obi-Wan lets go of his attachment to Anakin, "the battle turns for the Jedi." It's heavily implied from newer sources that Obi-Wan was, in fact, restraining himself.
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Which makes little sense if you think about Gillard's ranking of Anakin and then Pre-Suit Vader's saber abilities. Then take into account Anakin's dismantling of Dooku and the fact that Obi-Wan was virtually nothing in comparison.
Not really, no. Anakin was between "worlds" that time, trapped in transition from Jedi to Sith, and was vulnerable (according to RoDV). And unlike Dooku, Obi-Wan has an unimaginable amount of knowledge about Anakin and how he fights.
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Yeah, but then you have the scene on Mustafar when he's so deeply immersed in the Dark Side that his eyes become yellow and red. And prior to that him being able to outright destroy Cin Drallig one-handed while distracted with his padawan.
No doubt Anakin's psychological condition was bad during his duel with Obi-Wan, but for it to drop one's skill/talent by that much is astounding. Even as early as AOTC we're given the impression that Anakin is a better duelist than his master.
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An emotional idiot and not one for playing smart. Obi-Wan capitalized on Anakin's foolishness to conclude the battle, and since his fighting philosophy is simply to defend and evade until an opportunity presents itself, he's perhaps the best person for fighting Anakin in the SW universe. Having intimate knowledge of his fighting style helps a great deal as well.
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In the novelization, Anakin has an opportunity to kill Obi-Wan early in their duel. Obi-Wan is completely at his mercy with his blade poised to strike - when Obi-Wan uses the Force to reverse the polarity in Anakin's durasteel hand, thus making him drop his lightsaber.
In a strict sabers duel, Obi-Wan isn't going to have that ability.
Sep 8th, 2008 02:56 AM
