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Flash busting Anti-Monitor Vs DP Tyrant

Let's say Wally is in bloodlust mode. Avatar of the Speed Force. When he busted up the Anti-Monitor, he moved so fast that not even Pre-Crisis characters could see him. Can he take down DP Tyrant?

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When did Flash 'bust up' Anti-Monitor?

At any rate, Tyrant ftw.

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When did Flash 'bust up' Anti-Monitor?

At any rate, Tyrant ftw.

Don't count Flash out just yet. I think it was Flash 150.

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i doubt tyrant would be able to hit him tho

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Hmmm I don't think DP tyrant wouldn't lose to Flash. Tyrant taking on multiple high to mid herald level characters and some of them with significant speed feats. With the Power Cosmic he should be able to sense and where he is and react. Also He is a pure living embodiment of the power cosmic. Not any of the other Big G heralds that were formally just converted people.

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When did Flash 'bust up' Anti-Monitor?

At any rate, Tyrant ftw.

Legends of the DCU - Crisis on Infinite Earths issue 1.

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Legends of the DCU - Crisis on Infinite Earths issue 1.

She's referring to the Flash known as Wally West. In the issue he moved so fast not even Pre-Crisis Superman, Power Girl etc. notice his presence (Even with all their senses),brought down the Anti-Monitor (Destroyed his physical shell not his energy form), tried to implode the Anti Matter cannon, defeated Thawne, by tapping into the Speed Force and it's infinite energy and overloading Thawne with his power as he is the living conduit of the Speed Force.

I believe it all happened in Flash Volume 2 #150.

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She's referring to the Flash known as Wally West. In the issue he moved so fast not even Pre-Crisis Superman, Power Girl etc. notice his presence (Even with all their senses),brought down the Anti-Monitor (Destroyed his physical shell not his energy form), tried to implode the Anti Matter cannon, defeated Thawne, by tapping into the Speed Force and it's infinite energy and overloading Thawne with his power as he is the living conduit of the Speed Force.

I believe it all happened in Flash Volume 2 #150.

Booya! Thanks. I thought it was 150.

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Eh, yes Flash may have busted up AM's shell, but before that happened a few key plot points transpired, and should be noted.

1.) AM had been noticeably depowered via Dr. Light absorbing energy from a nearby anti-matter star, and using said energies to weaken AM:

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2.) The cumulative efforts of the other heroes present then blew a hole in AM, and downed him:

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Granted, Flash lended them his speed, so they could catch a second wind - but it was still their own powers which further weakened and already depowered AM.

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3.) Only then, (when AM was obviously quite weak,) did Flash destroy his shell:

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But as you can see, the very next panel after having his shell busted, AM was already back up in his energy form. He then vaporized the heroes present, with a single blast. In short, Flash's attack did nothing at all in the long run.

The only reason I brought up these points is to prevent some random fanboy from saying "FLASH WTF PWNZERZ AM!!11!"

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Tyrant wins.

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Ha! Thanks for the scans.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, yes Flash may have busted up AM's shell, but before that happened a few key plot points transpired, and should be noted.

1.) AM had been noticeably depowered via Dr. Light absorbing energy from a nearby anti-matter star, and using said energies to weaken AM:

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2.) The cumulative efforts of the other heroes present then blew a hole in AM, and downed him:

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Granted, Flash lended them his speed, so they could catch a second wind - but it was still their own powers which further weakened and already depowered AM.

----

3.) Only then, (when AM was obviously quite weak,) did Flash destroy his shell:

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But as you can see, the very next panel after having his shell busted, AM was already back up in his energy form. He then vaporized the heroes present, with a single blast. In short, Flash's attack did nothing at all in the long run.

The only reason I brought up these points is to prevent some random fanboy from saying "FLASH WTF PWNZERZ AM!!11!"

Flash WTF PWNED AM!! stick out tongue

But seriously thanks for providing some context to it. Hopefully there will be no fanboy arguments using this instance.

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I think Flash made it WORSE!

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Originally posted by Naija boy
Flash WTF PWNED AM!!

But seriously thanks for providing some context to it. Hopefully there will be no fanboy arguments using this instance.

(I hope so.)

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I think Flash made it WORSE!

Aside from the very minor inconvenience of having his shell ruptured (which can be completely reconstructed quite rapidly,) Flash really didn't do much to AM.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, yes Flash may have busted up AM's shell, but before that happened a few key plot points transpired, and should be noted.

1.) AM had been noticeably depowered via Dr. Light absorbing energy from a nearby anti-matter star, and using said energies to weaken AM:

(please log in to view the image)

----

2.) The cumulative efforts of the other heroes present then blew a hole in AM, and downed him:

(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)

Granted, Flash lended them his speed, so they could catch a second wind - but it was still their own powers which further weakened and already depowered AM.

----

3.) Only then, (when AM was obviously quite weak,) did Flash destroy his shell:

(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)

But as you can see, the very next panel after having his shell busted, AM was already back up in his energy form. He then vaporized the heroes present, with a single blast. In short, Flash's attack did nothing at all in the long run.

The only reason I brought up these points is to prevent some random fanboy from saying "FLASH WTF PWNZERZ AM!!11!"

In that case DP Tyrant FTW. smile

Jan 20th, 2009 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, yes Flash may have busted up AM's shell, but before that happened a few key plot points transpired, and should be noted.

1.) AM had been noticeably depowered via Dr. Light absorbing energy from a nearby anti-matter star, and using said energies to weaken AM:

2.) The cumulative efforts of the other heroes present then blew a hole in AM, and downed him:

Granted, Flash lended them his speed, so they could catch a second wind - but it was still their own powers which further weakened and already depowered AM.

3.) Only then, (when AM was obviously quite weak,) did Flash destroy his shell:

But as you can see, the very next panel after having his shell busted, AM was already back up in his energy form. He then vaporized the heroes present, with a single blast. In short, Flash's attack did nothing at all in the long run.

The only reason I brought up these points is to prevent some random fanboy from saying "FLASH WTF PWNZERZ AM!!11!"

Still doesn't change the fact that what he accomplished was greatly impressive, and it was their combined might, that was used to break through his armor the first time and Flash was able to break through the rest on his own.

One more thing, a underpowered CoIE Anti-Monitor is still one of the greatest threats in history.

Just...saying, is all.

For other posters out there, do not assume Wally West can match the Anti-Monitor in power in any way. He didn't do much to the Anti-Monitor as he is and can exist as energy.

Although breaking through his shell is still pretty uber to an extent.

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Hmmm I don't think DP tyrant wouldn't lose to Flash.

So you think DP will lose?

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Rage.Of.Olympus
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The way he phrased it does mean that.

Hmmm I don't think DP tyrant wouldn't lose to Flash.

On the other hand, it might simply be a grammatical error.

Jan 21st, 2009 12:07 AM

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Still doesn't change the fact that what he accomplished was greatly impressive, and it was their combined might, that was used to break through his armor the first time and Flash was able to break through the rest on his own.

Right, he was able to break through the armor, after AM had been sufficiently weakened. It's not like Flash was able to do that to a fully powered AM.

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One more thing, a underpowered CoIE Anti-Monitor is still one of the greatest threats in history.

Yes, but like I said in one of my above posts, breaking/rupturing AM's armor is nothing more than a very minor inconvenience. It has no long term effects.

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For other posters out there, do not assume Wally West can match the Anti-Monitor in power in any way. He didn't do much to the Anti-Monitor as he is and can exist as energy.

That's the point I want to drive home.

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Although breaking through his shell is still pretty uber to an extent.

Breaking through a weakened AM's armor isn't really that uber. It's still a decent feat though.

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Breaking through a weakened AM's armor isn't really that uber. It's still a good feat though.

Yeah, Superboy Prime did it and he's like ..

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