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Interesting thing about BB's scream - as I understand it, it's not actually sound. Rather it's some kind of electron-based energy. If this theory is true, then not only would it not kill Magneto, it's entirely possible that it'll make Magneto MORE powerful, similar to the effect Storm's lightning or Iceman's cold have on him.
demigawd is right, his scream is what happens when electrons he produces interact with other particles to produce a huge blast. I'm thinking the chances are pretty good Magneto won't even blink at that. And all BB's other powers are purely electron based, so he's screwed.
You guys have way too much imagination. Stop pulling out new powers out of your asses for Magneto. Now, all of a sudden, he can absorb BB's sound attacks ?!
BB is a true powerhouse, Magneto is a modest powerhouse. All the talk about electrons is just speculation, nothing more. BB wins very easily.
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I think you missed the conclusion - it's NOT a sound attack that BB is doing. And that's not speculation. In fact, hold on a second, let me look BlackBolt up right now...
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Black Bolt possesses various superhuman powers stemming from his ability to harness free-floating electrons. The speech center of Black Bolt’s brain contains an organic mechanism able to generate an as yet unknown type of particle which interacts with ambient electrons to create certain phenomena determined by mental control. The most devastating of the effects is Black Bolt’s quasi-sonic scream. Because his electron-harnessing ability is linked to the speech center of his brain, any attempt to use his vocal cords – from the merest whisper to a full scream – triggers an uncontrollable disturbance of the particle / electron interaction field. This result in a shock wave equivalent, at maximum force, to that caused by the detonation of a nuclear weapon. A whisper has generated sufficient force to rock a battleship, while a scream can reduce a mountain to rubble.
The fork-shaped antenna that Black Bolt has worn upon his brow since childhood enable him to channel his powers in more directed, less destructive ways. The antenna monitors his brain’s speech center activity and allows him to direct limited quantities of the unknown particle to create a number of controlled phenomena. He can channel this energy inwardly to enhance his own body’s speed and strength. Black Bolt is capable of channeling all available energy into one arm for one powerful punch called his Master Blow. This exertion taxes ability to employ the particle / electron energy to its limit and him extremely vulnerable following its use.
Black Bolt is also able to direct the unknown particle outwards in ways otherthan by means of his of his vocal cords. He can rapidly route particle / electron through his arms to create relatively small concussive blast. He can form a field of highly-active electrons around himself with the wave of a hand, said field being capable of deflecting projectiles up to the mass of an MX missile traveling at its maximum speed. He can create particle / electron interaction fields solid enough to be traveled upon, though this phenomenon is a particularly difficult and exhausting one. He can use these electron fields as extrasensory probes which are highly sensitive to other electromagnetic energy phenomena. He can even manipulate his electron field to jam certain electrical mechanisms.
Black Bolt can also harness the unknown particles his brain generate to interact with electrons to create anti-gravitons that enable him to defy gravity. By emitting a jet of rapidly moving particle / electron interaction by-product while enveloped by anti-gravitons, Black Bolt can fly up to 500 miles per hour for a period of 6 hours before his brain begins to tire appreciably from the effort. The anti-graviton field also serves to protect Black Bolt from the detrimental effects of rapid movement through the atmosphere.
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So I guess all the talk about electrons isn't just speculation. And if it's all about electrons, then the very nature of Magneto's power would make him, at the very least, immune to Blackbolt, and at most, enhanced by BB's scream.
Bad matchup for Blackbolt. It's completely one-sided for Mags.
Demi is clearly a very learned comic fan. However I think over analysing and over thinking can, as said, give people who don't have a chance, a chance.
I put Thanos over Blackbolt coz he's an immortal and cannot be killed.
I don't see how Magneto will win when it takes mere second for Blackbolt to shout. Just MO.
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lol, I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass, people. I used to theorize that Magneto could create a blackhole because of the nature of his magnetic power, but I never used it in a theoretical fight because he never showed that ability in the comics. Well, now he has shown that ability (but not in combat, so I still won't use that in a theoretical fight). So THAT would have been an example of me speculating and giving Magneto more power than he's shown. But in the case of electron control, he's shown that ability many times - in fact, that's actually how his shield works, as explained in his one shot back in '92. It REMOVES electrons from objects to create a charge, then mimicks the charge to repel the object. I mean, c'mon people, if THAT'S not electron control, I don't know what is. I defy anyone to say otherwise.
Now that I have confirmation as to what Black Bolt's scream really is, it will *literally* have no effect on Magneto, except allow Magneto to fortify his own power.
And if you hate me now, wait until Excalibur #10, when Magneto starts harnessing reality-warping powers. They've already hinted at a relationship between (I quote) "magnetism, one of the four fundamental forces of creation and causality", which Wanda has BECAUSE she's the daughter of a representative of one of the four forces". Magneto theorized that he can HARNESS causality itself through his own power, turning him into, essentially, a Super Wanda.
"The speech center of Black Bolt’s brain contains an organic mechanism able to generate an as yet unknown type of particle which interacts with ambient electrons to create certain phenomena determined by mental control.".
So we have an "unknown type of particle which interacts with ambient electrons." I'll translate it for you: the writers don't have the slightest clue how BB's powers work, but if you insist on getting all scientifically : it's not mere electrons, but an interaction of unknown particles and electrons.
That's very important, or do you think Magneto can absorb the electrons and neutralize the unknown particles in half a second ? Can you predict what will happen when the unknown particles will be confronted with the magnetic powers of Magneto ? No you can't, nobody can.
Unless proved that Magneto actually can absorb it, BB wins.
(I hate it when these things get too complicated, you can trust me when I say that writers couldn't care less about gravity and electrons and magnetism.)
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If the writers of MOST comics came on this boards I'm sure we'd learn a thing or too but mainly they'd probably say "What the hell are you talking about?"
Demi, I acknowledge Magneto's power and I'm a science geek myself, love it. However comicdom isn't the best place to delve into electrons and shit. Kinda saps the fun out of the whole fantasy forum aspect.
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Why are all the X-Men characters becoming representations of things? Jean literally being Phoenix. Magneto being the representation of the magnetic force. Forge being the representation of the excuse to have uber advanced technology. What's next, Beast becoming the representation of the animal kingdom and turning into a lionman?
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The cause is unknown, yes. And what you're referring to when you quoted me is the "cause" of these effects. But what IS known is the effect. I'll quote myself here as well:
So the effect is pretty well-defined - it creates a shockwave that comes from the disturbance of the particle/electron interaction field. Because Magneto has a broader range of electron control, he would simply prevent that disturbance from taking place, or re-direct the shockwave entirely.
Again, it would be fairly trouble-free for Magneto.
One other thing - you cant just blanket assume that writers don't care about gravity and electrons and magnetism. Some care a great deal. Warren Ellis would likely write a battle between the two of them almost exactly the way I've scripted it. Claremont writes Magneto with a VERY scientific bend. Chuck Austen...not so much. It depends entirely. And since this is a battle board, *I* am the writer (as are you in your scenario), *I* am one of those writers who do care about gravity and electrons and magnetism. And by staying true to the science of their powers, Black Bolt can do nothing against Magneto that wouldn't make Magneto more powerful.
"Why are all the X-Men characters becoming representations of things?"
I noticed that too. Don't know why everyone is penetrating the X-Men all of a sudden.
"Claremont writes Magneto with a VERY scientific bend. Chuck Austen...not so much. It depends entirely. And since this is a battle board, *I* am the writer (as are you in your scenario), *I* am one of those writers who do care about gravity and electrons and magnetism."
With all due respect Claremont and Austen are god awful writers. Absolutely ego driven, self-absorbed idiots.
I just fantasy battles on comparing the powers of the combatants and decide for myself who would have the better shot. Sometimes it requires detail but I just think it's a bit pointless the level of which you go into things. The writers never go into it as much as you do so I, personally, don't see the point.
Magneto has one of the most obvious stupid faults in comic history and no one has seemed to notice it. Yet something as in-obvious as the details you go into, are worth mentioning.
Nothing necessarily wrong with your methods, just think it's a bit much for fantasy battles IMO.
THANK YOU GOD! Someone finally had the balls to say it. Claremont should retire before his dementia becomes contagious and Austen should write for daytime soap operas NOT comics.
Well, Claremont WAS really good back in the days, but he's losing it lol.
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Bringing Psylocke back was the best thing he's done but as a character she was more alive when she wasn't even alive. Brings back one of, if not THE best X-Man/Woman, puts her in the wrong X-Men comic (when there should be ONE anyway) and then makes her dull and boring.
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