I searched, didn't find a thread on this, so......Here we go.
First and foremost, I know shit about the Star Trek universe. The first few pages of this thread will be all of us determining what constitutes as even of a matchup as possible. Some questions must be answered, like:
1. Which ST universe to use, the new one, or the William Shatner one?
2. How many start destroyers would it take to take on the USS Enterprise?
3. Should the Death Stars be allowed? The Jedi?
4. What starfighters does Star Trek have that can matchup aganst an X Wing or a TIE?
Basically, the thread is open for all of us to determine what is a fair matchup, i.e. How many star destroyers, death stars, etc; etc; etc;
The scenario I had in mind is that the USS Enterprise is out exploring and it comes across the Star Wars universe, Shit goes wrong, war is declared. Or is there a better scenario? Let me know, I am open to any and all scenarios, as long as it is a fair one. We all decide, together.
This thread is breaking a few forum rules, but I see it as a joint effort between all of us.
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Last edited by Rogue Jedi on Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:06 PM
All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
OK, I am gonna turn deciding the conditions over to you, I havent a clue what you just said
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I think the X wings and TIE's play a more crucial role here than ever.
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What does the ST offer in the way of starfighters?
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The Delta flyer...aaaaaaaannnndddd....that's just about it.
If you wanna get "big", we could incorporate borg sphere's...but that's stupid. I prefer to keep it to federation technologies.
The Imperial Navy clearly outclasses the Federation with firepower. Even the Enterprise, which is a Galaxy Class star ship, has shit when compared with the flagships of the Empire. A Star Destroyer would easily overpower any Enterprise ship with an assault of TIE's (fighters, bombers, etc.) and the sheer firepower of the hundreds of cannons/lasers placed throughout the hull of the ship.
The only thing the Federation has, besides the main ship, are the transport shuttles. Remember, these are not military ships, even if the whole crew of the ship is, for better, in a military hierarchy. These are not warriors. They're explorers.
The only plus I can find for the Enterprise is the speed and manueverability of the ship.
Starfleet, Klingons, Vulcans and Romulans don't have much in regards to small craft except for shuttle craft and the like, which aren't made for battle, but could possibly take on a Tie/X-Wing or two due to their shielding.
A Defiant class which is one of the smallest battle-ships could destroy countless X-wing and Ties.
Edit: Is this just the Federation Vs the Empire? Or do we bring in the likes of the Klingons, Romulans etc too?
I am a fan of both. Let me give you a few tips you should know.
1. Generally, Star Trek tech>Star Wars tech. ST has food replicators, transporter systems, and in-ship force fields, not to mention superior hand-held weaponry in phasers.
2. Phasers>Lightsabers. Now a Jedi should be superior to your average Starfleet officer due to his skill, battle experience, force abilities, etc. However a phaser can do much more things. Widen beams to incapacitate a whole room. It can be set to 16(more or less) settings. They can be set to stun, incapacitate, kill, or incinerate. It can also be used as a cutting tools similar to a lightsaber.
3. Jedi/Sith will probably be superior to any ground units Star Trek can muster, and this includes Starfleet, Borg, Jem'Hadar, Vulcan, and Klingon.
4. Star Trek focus much more on martial arts than Star Wars.
5. The average Starfleet officer is smarter than your average Empire officer in tech. Strategy is vice verca.
6. Ship-to-ship, Star Wars ships are much bigger in size than Star Trek.
7. The only thing I'm not sure about is(and this needs to be debated here) what's faster: Hyper Drive(SW) or Warp Speed(ST)?
Why not both? Specify which one you want considering your the threadstarter.
One. The Star Destroyer have Stormtroopers that are specifically there to battle. The USS Enterprise is an exploring ship. There are family members. You have exceptional fighters like Worf, Data, Riker, Picard , etc. Then you have your useless crewmembers in Troi, Geordi, Guinan, etc. However the useless sometimes have a valuable skill. Troi is a telepath, Geordi is an genius engineer. If Stormtroopers boarded that Enterprise in comparison they'd be outmatched. Phaser>Blasters, and they can put up force fields between decks to trap you, SW cannot. Vader and Palpatine would be a problem.
But if it's strictly a ship-to-ship battle I'd give it to SW. Wheras ST has quantum torpedoes, SW has Ion Cannons(EMP-like).
Why not? While to my knowledge the Federation haven't taken on a laser as big as the Death Star's cannon, they have had a squad of vessels taken down the Borg Cube in First Contact. Also a Federation crew's likely tactic against something as lethal the Death Star would be to beam onboard(an advantage SW doesn't have). From there they could attempt to commandeer the space station. Jedi? Phasers>Lightsabers. The Force, speed, and fighting skill of a Jedi/Sith make them tricky though. If Picard ran into the Death Star with both Palpatine and Vader onboard he'd most likely be ****ed.
Nothing that I'm aware of. There are smaller Federation shipd such as Sisko's USS Defiant. But they are far away larger and more powerful than you TIE, Jedi Starfighter, or X-Wing. There are shuttles that are in the larger ships docks. But I doubt individual fighter ships would be much of a threat to a standard modern Federation ship. They have force field and the weapon systems aren't targeted by hand, rather much more precise.
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Jul 12th, 2009 10:52 PM
The Force, speed, and fighting skill of a Jedi/Sith make them tricky though. If Picard ran into the Death Star with both Palpatine and Vader onboard he'd most likely be ****ed. 
