Here are the categories in which I rate their powers.
1. Saber Skills
2. Force Potential
3. Overall bad@$$ness
Here is the list:
1. Darth Vader (pre-suit, had the highest Force Potential)
2. Darth Caedus (had as much Force Potential as Vader)
3. Darth Stalker (Starkiller or Galen Marek)
4. Darth Sidious
5. Darth Bane
6. Marka Ragnos
7. Darth Revan
8. Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku)
9. Darth Maul
10. Darth Malak
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That is by and large completly unknown. Was Caedus, for instance, more powerful than his grandfather suited vader? Or was he more powerful than presuited vader? Hard to tell. Force potential can be argued till we are all blue in the face, or numb in the fingers, but at the end of the day, nothing will be decided.
We usually do feats, and omniscient narrator quotes of power.
Where is Red or Slash when I need one of them to be helpful and explain all this?
Good point. But I'm pretty sure Caedus is more powerful than post-suit Vader and as powerful as pre-suit Vader (Lucas said Luke became as powerful as Anakin was supposed to, plus Luke had as many midi-chlorians at birth as his father, so I infer Jacen is as potentially powerful as his grandpa).
Potential's cool, but it means nothing if it goes unfulfilled, like Anakin and Marek.
Sidious was the most powerful, most accomplished, and most evil being the galaxy had ever known. He's not #1. He's beyond this chart.
Bane originated Sidious' Order, wiped clean the old one, and was very powerful in his own right. He's physically imposing, an incredible duelist, covered in living lightsaber-resistant armor, and murdered children for tangible gain. Damn.
Caedus was Vader's successor. Potential that was more realized than his grandfather. He was almost on par with LotF Luke in sabers--that alone is just amazing. His ability to endure pain and continue the onslaught was incredible. He killed Mara, which earns a top spot even if she tripped on a pebble. And yet under it all, he really just wanted to help the galaxy, and save his family. Awww. Badass *sshole with a heart of gold.
Vader (despite Gideon's analysis of his ANH self) was badass. He IS Star Wars' official mascot. When the layman thinks of evil in movies, polls have shown that that after Hannibal Lecter and Norman Bates, they visualize Darth Vader. His whole backstory is well conceived (acting not-withstanding), his mastery of telekinesis is superb. He's a skilled saber duelist despite his limitations. He's tough, powerful, and cool. Nuff said.
Dooku's a saber-god with a powerful command of the Force. He's not Sidious or Caedus, but he's still up their with the greats. He's suave, sophisticated, charming, xenophobic, misguided, and a dreamer.
Ragnos held uncontested control over the Ancient Sith for a century. His ghost scared the shit out of the contenders for his throne. He helped spark the Old Sith Wars with his naming Kun and Droma as Dark Lords. Visually, he's a demon that would frighten small children and large animals. Even with the ambiguity surrounding him, the guy's still cool.
Revan, like Ragnos, maintains an air of awesomeness, despite his Unknown status. He's a Gary Stu (which is a piss-off, don't get me wrong), but aside from his lack of known powers and skills, the character did a hell of a lot in his lifetime. Led two full-scale galactic wars, defeated many of the top combatants of his age. His holocron inspired Bane, starting his line. And personally, I like the mystery surrounding his character to an extent. Especially those aspects which deals with his physical appearance and voice.
Marek's position here is the only one I'd change---I'd make him last if not here at all. He's an overblown titan in the Force, and very skilled duelist. That merits him being on the list, I guess, but character-wise, he's boring as mud.
Maul's a mystery Sith too. Little background before 33 BBY, badass as Vader. One of the most skilled lightsaber duelists in the mythos, and named the "deadliest Sith apprentice" in history while he was alive. Hot damn. I'm glad he was killed off before he could be ruined. We received hints at what could have been but thankfully never was with his doppelganger and reanimated corpse.
Malak's awesome. I don't care what anyone says regarding his ambiguity. When you can order the deaths of billions of people with such careless ease as he did, you are bad to the f*cking bone.
Love you too, buddy.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Aug 15th, 2009 at 01:45 AM
sidious is the most powerful end of story thats canon everything after that is well like lucien said i agree with the the rearranged list only id put caedous above bane
force potential doesnt mean anything its like this take the strongestman in the world he has reached his full potential but if u were to kill him when he was 15 he never reached his full potential even though he would have gone on to become the strongest man he didnt
id go into more detail but im on my phone if u want me to explain this better i can later tonight
[QUOTE=12150787]Originally posted by Lord Lucien Potential's cool, but it means nothing if it goes unfulfilled, like Anakin and Marek.
Sidious was the most powerful, most accomplished, and most evil being the galaxy had ever known. He's not #1. He's beyond this chart.
Bane originated Sidious' Order, wiped clean the old one, and was very powerful in his own right. He's physically imposing, an incredible duelist, covered in living lightsaber-resistant armor, and murdered children for tangible gain. Damn.
Caedus was Vader's successor. Potential that was more realized than his grandfather. He was almost on par with LotF Luke in sabers--that alone is just amazing. His ability to endure pain and continue the onslaught was incredible. He killed Mara, which earns a top spot even if she tripped on a pebble. And yet under it all, he really just wanted to help the galaxy, and save his family. Awww. Badass *sshole with a heart of gold.
Vader (despite Gideon's analysis of his ANH self) was badass. He IS Star Wars' official mascot. When the layman thinks of evil in movies, polls have shown that that after Hannibal Lecter and Norman Bates, they visualize Darth Vader. His whole backstory is well conceived (acting not-withstanding), his mastery of telekinesis is superb. He's a skilled saber duelist despite his limitations. He's tough, powerful, and cool. Nuff said.
Dooku's a saber-god with a powerful command of the Force. He's not Sidious or Caedus, but he's still up their with the greats. He's suave, sophisticated, charming, xenophobic, misguided, and a dreamer.
Ragnos held uncontested control over the Ancient Sith for a century. His ghost scared the shit out of the contenders for his throne. He helped spark the Old Sith Wars with his naming Kun and Droma as Dark Lords. Visually, he's a demon that would frighten small children and large animals. Even with the ambiguity surrounding him, the guy's still cool.
Revan, like Ragnos, maintains an air of awesomeness, despite his Unknown status. He's a Gary Stu (which is a piss-off, don't get me wrong), but aside from his lack of known powers and skills, the character did a hell of a lot in his lifetime. Led two full-scale galactic wars, defeated many of the top combatants of his age. His holocron inspired Bane, starting his line. And personally, I like the mystery surrounding his character to an extent. Especially those aspects which deals with his physical appearance and voice.
Marek's position here is the only one I'd change---I'd make him last if not here at all. He's an overblown titan in the Force, and very skilled duelist. That merits him being on the list, I guess, but character-wise, he's boring as mud.
Maul's a mystery Sith too. Little background before 33 BBY, badass as Vader. One of the most skilled lightsaber duelists in the mythos, named the "deadliest Sith apprentice" in the mythos. Hot damn. I'm glad he was killed off before he could be ruined. We received hints at what could have been but thankfully never was with his doppelganger and reanimated corpse.
Malak's awesome. I don't care what anyone says regarding his ambiguity. When you can order the deaths of billions of people with such careless ease as he did, you are bad to the f*cking bone.
Love you too, buddy. [/QUOTE
sorry for the dp question about maul and the deadliest sith apprentice quote would he be on par with dooku in sabers
Last edited by xxxpoppunker182 on Aug 15th, 2009 at 01:41 AM
Sorry, my misquote. Maul was the deadliest apprentice in history. So up to an including himself.
EDIT: There, fixed.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Aug 15th, 2009 at 01:46 AM
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Potentially yes, and vader lost that potential when he had his limbs hacked off.
And a full potential vader would be even more powerful than caedus.
Now for my list of the most powerful ten sith(i'm excluding marek because he isn't really a sith lord unless you choose the dark side ending).
Nihilus, Revan and Traya will be excluded until their feats can be properly substantiated, i just cannot conclude where they belong in the list though i believe nihilus is above vader.
1)Sidious
2)Caedus
3)Bane
4)Exar kun
5)Vader
6)Count dooku
Thats the 6 i can think off at this time.
Last edited by BoratBorat on Aug 15th, 2009 at 03:31 AM
Actually there is a quote floating around that Caedus was more pwerful than his grandfather before him.
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Sidious states somewhere that the only reason vader isn't as powerful as he should be is a mental thing. So even with his lost limbs he still had the potential to become more powerful than sids.
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While i would love to believe that i think lucas mentioned in the TESB commentary that he already lost that force potential.
Anyways vader is still pretty powerful with his reduced force potential, he could have become even more powerful if sidious didn't limit his training to just TK alone and if vader was a force scholar.
Aug 15th, 2009 12:05 AM
