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Man, inherently evil?
Genesis 1:31
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day
I don't understand the idea that men are inherently evil. I don't feel like researching the scripture references, so if someone wants to share their views on the subject feel free, although I might disagree
It was good...until sin entered into the equation by the free will of the first man.
__________________ WHEN JESUS SAW THE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE, HE WAS MOVED WITH COMPASSION FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARY AND SCATTERED, LIKE SHEEP HAVING NO SHEPHERD.
Great question Regret! Here is your answer from the God we both love.
"For by one man's (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one man's (Christ-God incarnate) many will be made righteous."
Romans 5:19
This again is why Jesus is needed by all! Because only He can and has made the attonement for the sin that was transfered to all of us by Adam.
Again, only God can be without sin and this is why Jesus came and died for us.
__________________ WHEN JESUS SAW THE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE, HE WAS MOVED WITH COMPASSION FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARY AND SCATTERED, LIKE SHEEP HAVING NO SHEPHERD.
True...I would rather be cotton than wool...less itchy.
__________________ WHEN JESUS SAW THE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE, HE WAS MOVED WITH COMPASSION FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARY AND SCATTERED, LIKE SHEEP HAVING NO SHEPHERD.
Don't you need a question first like he asked before he could get the answer? HELLO? ANTBODY OUT THERE? CALLING MAJOR TOM TO GROUND CONTROL>
__________________ WHEN JESUS SAW THE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE, HE WAS MOVED WITH COMPASSION FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARY AND SCATTERED, LIKE SHEEP HAVING NO SHEPHERD.
__________________ WHEN JESUS SAW THE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE, HE WAS MOVED WITH COMPASSION FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE WEARY AND SCATTERED, LIKE SHEEP HAVING NO SHEPHERD.
We all have animal instincts, but as for morality...When you're born you're a clean slate, a la "Tabula Rosa"....It's your choices that decide if you're good or evil.
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The only thing thats with you your whole life is complete and utter darkness.
The concept of (Adam's) Original Sin and the fact that its inheritable is one of the easiest ways for the Church to earn mone- . . . . i mean to go sanctimonius on you.
* yes, but the truth is, there is no "original sin" that was inherited by every child born from Adam and Eve... another false doctrine from Catholic church...
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Thank you everyone that has posted.
My personal belief is that by partaking of the fruit, which violated the commandment of God in the statement:
Adam and Eve transgressed. I believe that this made man capable of sin by giving man the knowledge of good and evil. Before that he did not know better. So man entered a state where evil was possible for him because he now had knowledge of good and evil. I do not believe in original sin.
Mormons believe that until the age of eight parents are responsible for teaching their children to choose "good" over "evil." By the age of eight a child should have learned enough to make decisions about right and wrong, given proper parental instruction. As such at eight we believe baptism should occur, this to wash away the sins committed in ignorance as they learned. Although a child younger than eight would not be held accountable for those sins, his/her parents would be. The verses I believe support the age are:
The term figure I believe refers to the number. Which could also refer to a time frame other than eight years (i.e. days could be an interpretation, but I do not believe an eight day old would be able to show "good conscience toward God" and so infant baptism does not seem to fit this requirement.) This reference and interpretation is solely based on my readings, and is not LDS church doctrine, I have never heard such spoken anywhere.
I am not arguing the point merely stating my opinion, I hope that people will argue the point, I always find it interesting, but to tell the truth I do not know of Biblical verses that necessarily contradict the original sin concept, and don't really feel like researching it at the moment. I would like to hear the verses if Peejayd has them to support a stance against original sin. If the argument comes up at some other time it would be nice to know the references.
Alliance, you are right, I did have my answer to the question. I did pose the question only with the intent to learn the reason they believed this, and to see if there was any support for the concept since I knew of none. I had hoped there would be more debate on the subject, but I myself am ill equipped to debate the concept.
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um, my english teacher once told me we were litterally parasites. Others life forms do not benefit from us, yet we benefit from those life forms. I kinda feel hopeless......but oh well.
"Original Sin" is that whole idea that we inheritted Adam and Eve's evil, and therefore are all born with a taint on our souls....therefore the sacrament of Baptism was brought up as a way to "cleanse" ourselves and enter God's church.
I don't buy into the whole idea that MANKIND is born evil...but I do not think mankind of born good either. However, i do not think that mankind as a whole is born neutral either......
I think every individual is different....
Many people beleive that "evil" or "immorality" is developed through nurture and influences.
I can agree, except for the fact that I beleive "evil" or "cruelty" for a better word, can be nature/genetically given as well.
Why do some loving parents give birth to such a cruel child? Sometimes this happens.....
Why do some hateful and abusive parents give birth to loving and tender children? And i am not counting classroom influences, i am only counting the child's personality on its own......
I wondor....can Cruelty actually be genetic as well as taught?.....not spiritually given, but physiologically?
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All creatures that eat are parasites in the same manner man is. Lifeforms benefit from us, we are a large waste producer, many creatures survive on our waste. There are other benefits man provides, the issue at the moment is that we do not die often enough to maintain the balance that may have existed in the past, so it looks like nothing is benefiting from our existence.
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