In the Comic Book 'Versus' Forum peak human is 616 Captain America or Batman.
What is peak human in this forum? Bourne? Batman? Snake Eyes? Achilles?
What's metahuman?
What's superhuman?
Not everyone has to agree. I just hope through debate and conversation we can all come to a better understanding.
Also remember you can be peak human in a certain area. In comics, Captain America is peak human in every stat, whereas Daredevil is only peak human in agility. For example, Beck could be peak human in strength and durability, but not speed.
Personally i'd rather keep all these ridiculously stupid classifications out of the movie vs forum altogether. They cause more problems than they solve given that there's more arugments and petty flaming and bickering about who falls into what catagory in the 1st place.
I'm no expert but as I understand it's something like this:
"Peak human" is just that, a human at the peak of physical fitness. Basically a top athlete.
"Metahuman" means their physical prowess is beyond human, but not to an extreme. Basically if someone saw them in action they might be able to just pass them off as an extraordinarily gifted human, provided they didn't do anything too 'out there'.
"Superhuman" refers to a power level that cannot be passed off as human at all. Stuff like smashing a tank etc.
Peak human has been so warped in comics it is a meaningless term to be honest.
Shit, the average human being in Marvel or DC can military press their body weight above their heads, most humans IRL would have trouble benching that.
But, to answer your question by IRL terms.
Peak Human: Batman is the best answer I know of.
Metahuman: EVERYONE in Watchmen who was once a masked vigilante, except Manhattan of course. What the Watchmen did is above human performance, especially when you consider most of the Watchmen were out of shape, hell, Comedian was an old man.
Superhuman: Anyone who is blatantly above human ability.
This subject/debate is always interesting to many. Many of the answers already mentioned are spot on. Here's a little insight from a buddy of mine who has written for DC and Marvel:
"DC is NOTORIOUS for keeping character's "prowess maximums" a bit nebulous. They have historically wanted characters to be able to supersede their imposed restrictions for the sake of the ultimate display of heroism. Marvel, on the other hand is a bit more definitive in making the indication for strength levels (especially since the advent of the 'Marvel Universe' comic-encyclopedias). Marvel will, however, COMPLETELY change a character's strength/prowess levels in a HEARTBEAT if they feel it will somehow serve their purposes for a storyline...take SABRETOOTH for example. Originally, he was designed with "peak human" strength (too somewhat match Wolverine). After the first X-men movie, he was stated as having Class 10 strength (Superhuman ability to lift/press 6-12 Tons)."
Interesting, huh?
Well, with my background in Fitness Training, a college running back athlete can clean and press (lifting a weight from the ground and
pressing it overhead) his own body weight ten to twelve times on average; with a male gymnast, that number usually falls to seven or eight repetitions. With a female gymnast, that number falls to no more than five reps (on AVERAGE). With powerlifters and quite a few bodybuilders (both male and female), that number hovers at twelve to fifteen repetitions.
With all that said, we both came to the these conclusions:
Clean and Press Indications (1 Repetition)
Average, non-sedentary Human Clean and Press - 80 - 110lbs (1 rep)
Athletic Human Clean and Press - Body weight for 3 - 6 reps
Collegiate/Pro Athlete Clean And Press - Body Weight for 8 to 12 reps
Peak Human Clean and Press - 350 - 500lbs (2 or 3 reps)
(Most non-superhuman heroes fall in between the previous
two "Real World" categories)
Meta Human Clean and Press - 500 - 1000lbs
(Most of the Watchmen in the recent Film)
Low Superhuman Clean and Press - up to 1 ton
Class 5 Clean and Press - up to 5 Tons
etc, etc,
So, to address Darth's statement: Original Capt. America was just in the cusp of Metahuman (in an Avenger's comic, Cap has been displayed doing barbell curls with 500lbs). In the Ultimates, Ultimate Cap has definitely received an "upgrade" and is in the low-end of the
Low SuperHuman Clean and Press. In the Ultimate Avengers movie, I remember seeing Cpt. America "rolling upright" an overturned, military truck by himself (and without SERIOUS strain)...THAT is superhuman.
Peak human is as far as a human can go without being a metahuman/superhuman, a metahuman is a human that has undergone radical evolutionary augmentation, and a super human is a man or woman that is not human at all, meaning they have been trancended into a higher level of being. Then there is God-like, then there is God assuming there can can be more than one God, and then there is Nigh-Omnipotent, one who can do nearly everything but is still limited or set-back by very little boundries, and then there is Omnipotent, meaning they can do all things and are not limited by anything, and have no boundries. And then there is another type of God, one that cannot be replaced or ended, one who didn't have a beginning, and there can be only One Being as such.
So it goes:
Singular God: Yahweh/Jehova/Allah
Omnipotent: The One-Above-All
Nigh-Omnipotent: The Spectre
Gods: Zeus
Godlike: Dr. Manhattan
Superhuman: Superman
Metahuman: Spiderman
Peak Human: Adam and Eve
Adrian Veidt and Bruce Wayne were in better physical condition than any other man alive at that time or in any time around that era, but Adam was in the best human condition possible, yet still not in the metahuman condition that Captain America was in.
The Tonne Class measurement of strength becomes irrelevant when you observe God-like beings, and can be in the several octillions of tons when you are Superhuman.
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Last edited by \\S// on Nov 14th, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Smashing a man's head through 8-12 inches of a solid slab of treated and polished marble is most definitely above peak human. The fact that the comedian's head did not just splatter on that slab of marble, but instead pulverized the marble, puts Comedian's durability waaaay above human. Kicking Rorsach 30 feet in the air, away from himself puts Ozy's strength several times above peak human. Let's not get into Ozy's speed which was shown in a nice relative
BTW, I can press my own weight above my head about 5 times (on a good day...some days, I'm just blah.). (I weigh about 220lbs, 15.7 stone, or 100 kgs).
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Aug 26th, 2009 07:49 PM
(I weigh about 220lbs, 15.7 stone, or 100 kgs).
