I think that you hit the nail on the head in part b of your reply. But I would take it a step further and propound that many (not some) of the truths revealed in Scripture are very (not rather) undesirable because the Bible exposes us for who we truly are. The Bible tells us (without making any apologies, softsoaking the situation, or mitigating it) that we are all unrighteous, that we are sinners, that all of our righteousness (i.e. good works) are like filthy rags, that we are spiritually dead, that we are Hell-bound, and that we need Jesus Christ in order to be saved from all of these realities.
Yes, but the main point I made was point A (that's why it was first). How does anyone know that Christianity, or any religion for that matter, is the truth?
For example, Goddess Kali (the artist formerly known as Lord Urizen) asked me what God thought of his love for his boyfriend. Well, the Bible does not "specifically" reveal what God thinks of your love for your boyfriend (unless it is purely non-sexual and non-romantic i.e. like the love you have for a close friend or a pet). But I believe that He deems it ungodly, sinful, and an abomination. I apologize if my direct, straightforward manner is offensive to you, I sincerely do not intend to hurt your feelings. But the truth is the truth. Can you handle it?
The reason I put my answer in this thread is because I sincerely do not want to offend you Goddess Kali so I wanted to test the waters first by asking the the question, "Why do people get offended when you tell them the truth as it pertains to the Bible?" However, I did want to respond to your query, and I have.
You betray a fatal flaw here. You clarified that you believe that homosexuality is ungodly, sinful, and an abomination, and then you claimed it as the truth. If, as you claim, God does not have a specific stance on homosexuality, as per the Bible, how can you claim that your own position is the truth?
Strangelove, sir, here is what Goddess Kali asked me:
If this love is non-romantic and non-sexual (like the platonic, brotherly love that you have for a close friend or relative) then there is nothing wrong with it. So, I was not making an arbitrary, value judgment about my stance on homosexuality (I side with God). Did I answer your reply Strangelove?
JIA, I am so flattered that you would dedicate an entire thread to our discussion...you used to just ignore all my questions...you hardly even posted me...now you make an entire thread dedicated to me.
I am impressed and flattered
I do not take offense to what you say. I have changed. I do not take offense to anyone's perspective or beleif. You're beleif is simply your beleif, which you have the right to possess.
However, I do not recognize it as truth.
Love cannot be an abomination....if God hates my Love for my boyfreind (which is sexual as well as romantic and human), then I reject your God.
My boyfreind means far more to me than an imaginary mythological character...I do not mean to offend you JIA...but the Truth is the Truth
My point still remains, however. How can you be sure that the Bible, Jesus Christ, or the Christian God are actually the truth? It's all blind faith, but you and others claim it to be the absolute truth without any proof. How can you be sure?
This might seem like an illustration from left field but...here it goes. In the movie The Return of the Jedi (I think this is the correct Star Wars sequel) Yoda tells Luke Skywalker that there is no try, there is only do. If you truly desire to know whether the Bible is true, then do what it says (notice, I did not say try--I said do, what the Bible says). If the Bible is not true then nothing that it says will work. For example, if you sincerely admit to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner, that you have sinned, that you are lost without Him, then sincerely confess that He is Lord and that you believe that God raised Him from the dead (in essence asking Jesus Christ to save you from your sins), you will be saved. If you do all of this and do not have a realization of the fact that you are saved then the Bible is not true. But you must be sincere for it to work.
because jack chick is a bigoted insane creepy old fart
__________________ Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do you think we will ever be saved?
In this land of dreams find myself sober...
Wonder when will it'll all be over...
Living in a void when the void grows colder...
Wonder when it'll all be over?
Will you be laughing when it's over?
That's not an answer to my question. You answered some question in an alternate dimension where I asked whether there are degrees of obedience to God's word (assuming that the word of God is true). But it's most definitely not the question I asked.
My question is a direct response to the title of your thread, Can you Handle the Truth? My question is, how do you know it's the truth? How can you be so sure?
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