No references to any other versions of Ganondorf for this thread please. The Hylden Lord is actually referred to as the Sarafan Lord throughout the game.
The Hylden Lord gets the soulreaver as he used it in the game.
I assume the Hylden Lord is not allowed to possess Dorf like he does Janos in Defiance, your other threads do not allow powers from other games despite being relevent to the character so I assume its the same here?
I think even the "real" non fanon version of Dorf can win this otherwise, he has more powers than the Sarafan lord who seems to only teleport and fire energy blasts. Cant see him winning a majority if at all.
Neither can possess the other. Both have shown the ability to and since he didn't really do it to anyone else save Janos and some others before he physically made the jump it's a stretch for either to possess each other.
I can't believe you don't see him winning this. The guy is an equal of Kain's and would definitely stomp Raziel a new one.
Not really, Ganondorfs is like a possession mist form and Hylden lord simply possesses Janos across dimentions in an instant. Theres a big difference, if Possession was allowed then Hylden lord wins instantly.
Not really, he may have been an equel of Kains in Blood omen but a lot has changed since Blood omen series, Kains evolved and has become more powerful by far. Ganondorf has the power set to beat at least the Hylden lord.
Yes but glyph magic iirc did not do much other than shoot lightning and orbs of energy, you could stretch that him annhilating Raziel in a shot from those lightning blasts he fired would defeat Ganondorf but the Hylden lord would not win a majority.
This is after Midna wipes out the omniverse with a sneeze in your little world is it?
Hahahahaha, how was he pathetic? I can't wait to hear this one.
Based on what?
Dorf also possessed someone whereas the Hylden Lord couldn't easily possess Kain or Vorador in blood omen 2. I don't think he possessed anyone since he appeared physically in the game.
The reason Kain won was because he had help aka janos who provided him the distraction he needed to get the soulreaver which screwed the Hylden Lord over.
Dorf I don't see winning this. The Hylden Lord imposed his will over nosgoth for a few hundred years, bested Kain once, and the second time around Kain had Jano's interference to get him the reaver.
Kain was always powerful since blood omen 1 and since then got older and wiser but I don't see a dramatic power change taking place. I see his bread and butter remaining the soulreaver which is what he needed to best the Hylden Lord.
He did so by marching an army against Kain and defeating him in battle. Kain the guy no one else has ever beaten he beat him so badly he was out for a few hundred years.
And this Kain was weaker than he is now, right? Yeah. Kain right now is considerably weak. Ganondorf is above him in Durability and Strength. That's about all he needs.
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He possessed Zelda at short range in the form of a little cloud of twilight iirc. Its not the same as instantly controlling an ancient immortal like Janos who showed some kind of resistance (unlike Zelda). We dont see it happen but when he put Janos' body in the device to power it he sent his body into the old Sarafan lord, also dont forget that Mortanius was also possessed by the Hylden who then became the Dark entity in Blood omen, the Hylden have possessed many.
Yes but the Hylden lord only won the first fight because of the Nexus stone, without that protection Kain would have destroyed him then and there like he did in the final battle. They have both had
Hes evolved over the centuries, their not the same characters. The creatures and vampires in the soulreaver era use technologically mature humans as mere amusement wheras vampire hunters in LoK Blood omen era are basic yet so are their vampire foes. The Soul reaver era is far ahead in leage to Blood omen...
I mean to be fair the Sarafan lords best bet is to spam teleport and his lightning blasts or projectiles that he fires from the sword, one slash from the sword and Ganondorf is dead so I admit there is a chance but Ganondorf has a lot more variety in power from turning to an ethereal twilight form, to teleportion etc.
Ganondorfs not ripped anyone from what youve shown, infact I am not sure he has any feats at all strengthwise apart from apprently breaking his castle physically (yet to see evidence) and his durability feat is an ambigious lulz worthy claim where Midna uses the fused shadows based on a form he does not usually take.
If Ganondorf stomps this, its not through physicaly power. The Sarafan lord is not impressive physically but teleporting would mean Ganondorf would not have any chance of hitting him with a strike anyway.
I do agree the hylden possession is much more impressive than a knocked out zelda, but my point is neither have ever done so while in mid battle against an enemy. The Hylden Lord didn't possess anyone when he physically made the jump to nosgoth only prior to.
Kain had the soulreaver so why is the nexus stone make it any less impressive? With the soulreaver Kain can't be killed so how does he kill him?
I disagree they are far ahead by any means. Kain is the greatest of all vampires and he hasn't gotten that much more powerful than he was in blood omen 2.
These guys will basically sword fight it out in the end.
What's pathetic? Dorf got beaten by mages and was beaten by Link so what did he do that was so impressive he beats the Hylden Lord here?
Let's do something different for durability. Follow me now, this might get a little complicated for you.
Midna, using all four Fused Shadows, destroyed the barrier around Hyrule Castle that Zant set in place, and made the whole castle go boom. The Light Spirits are stated to be above these in power. In the final boss fight, Zelda shoots Ganondorf numerous times with Light Arrows, created from the Light Spirits' power. He survived this and went on to fight Link, where he took more hits from the Master Sword before finally being defeated.
Even in your mind, BT, Link is an equal to Kain in Strength. Ganondorf's body is durable enough to keep going after taking multiple hits from that level of strength wielding his weakness. Now add in the light arrows, also a weakness, with a power above the Fused Shadows.
Edit: No Quan, Ganon was not beaten by any mages, lol.
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If the Hylden Lord strikes his sword with Dorf's neck off comes his head. Same goes for Dorf and the Hylden Lord. This isn't some gameplay thing where we factor in how many hits does it take.
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