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I'm not sure about how the stone stare works, but if he has to look them in the eye, or doesn't have it, then 1,3, and 4 win. If it's the one time "uber stare" I've heard of then no...
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only one that can see in all directions is Carnage..
Venom has also been effected by the penance stare to an extend knocking him and ghost rider back and causing pain however weakened it may have bn it still partially worked... it was a eye to eye contact the penance stare just had a volatile unknown reactionary effect with the sym.. that was all..
the sym wasnt immune venom even stated he didnt like the nasty stare..
since when is Venom immune to tp or why do you say it wont work?
And Carnage's biology is different than Venom's how? Ok tell me this. When the symbiotes have no hosts (the goo state) how do they move around? They dont always shows the "eyes".
And penance stare is a whole different power. And even it worked so "great" it left GR knocked out while Venom walked away.
Gorgon's power requires an eye contact. Symbiotes dont really have eyes. Simple as that.
Since Venom's "tp" feats are better than Gorgons and since the only time someone tried to mindcontrole him it didnt work.
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venom and carnage abilities arent transferable.. the carnage sym is a mutated version of the original suit and pretty sure its bn said during planet of the sym that he has gets the powers of his parent plus his own making him unique.
which is why Carnage unlike Venom has full visual range able to see from all parts of his suits while Venom cant.. which is why the web to the face has distracted venom in the past and Carnage commented that shtick dont work on him..
same reason why his suit can create solid objects and discharge it from his suit something venom cant do.... other then weblines..
which is why Carnage can create clone suits something venom initially couldnt..
why Carnage's blood was mutated while brock's blood wasnt...
Why Carnage could absorb other suits into itself adding it to his own mass.
why Carnage was resistant to certain attacks that Venom wasnt...
anyways......moving on...
the suit without a host simply slithered using its own visual perception which unlike Carnages isnt every part of its body...
what TP feat does venom have an anguish psychic wail that simply effected those who were sensitive to it? pls.. that is nothing and you know it.. and pls tell who tried to mind controlled brock as if it matters when it comes to scanning the mind?
you have no evidence for none of you claims but simply using pure assumption you know that dont fly here.
He can also make his suit solid just like Carnage, like when he gutted Kraven, made claws to open Scarlet Spider's stomach or even created medical tools to cut out a bomb from his own body. He can but its just not his thing. As for discharging the symbiote parts, has done that as well. Absorbing other suits? He absorbed a symbiote clone adding it to his mass and even abosrbed Carnage's symbiote. So you see im not transferring Carnage's abilities. Venom can do all that.
Ive heard that every next generation of symbiotes is supposed to be stronger than the previous but even that doesnt seem to be the case.
Tp feats, reading peoples mind at distance, mindcontrole, mindraping even. Good enough for me to say Gorgon's tp is nothing he wont be able to handle. The one time I remeber someone tried to mindcontrol Venom, was Kulan Gath in team up. He failed to do that and Venom almost cut his head off.
I didnt assume a thing, I believe ive posted plenty of evidence to back up every claim. But if you can prove that Gorgon's stare would work against symbiotes ill admit that I was wrong. Because Elektra avoided it simply by shutting her eyes, while Brock's eyes are always covered with many inches of the symbiote suit.
And if you doubt his speed, Venom has blitzed Spider-man, dodged bullets, caught a bullet AFTER it was fired, cought 3 bullets at the same time etc etc
1 scenario is an interesting fight. 3 symbiotes together is an overkill.
Anyway. Till tomorrow, its getting late.
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i am fully aware of venom making eyes for him to see that doesnt mean he has eyes and visual perception all around his body that has never bn the case nor will it ever be.. the sym can create or coordinate its visual perception to one area it doesnt mean it can see all around it at any given time..
Venom has been ambushed by spiderman and others too many times for it to be the case and his history has bn long enough for a writer to have made it so... rather the making a clear cut difference between what carnage can do and venom cant.
now i never said Venom couldnt harden his sym to make claws and whatnot i said it cant discharge itself and even the sym hardening wasnt even a standard ability but was a learned one when he discovered how to manipulate his Suit through experience.(u should be more clear so you dont latch on to something)
now i never once said venom wasnt fast nor agile pretty sure its common sense not that his speed is sufficient enough to out-react some one like Gorgon regularly especially since venom prefers to charge and grab and tank hits..
now i have established that the suit does see whether you wanna argue it or not i have established that it was susceptible to the penance stare which you claimed the opposite.
your argument which has no bases whatsoever was that some how TP dont work on venom is moot since we know that Gorgon only uses his tp to read minds not mind control and to communicate telepathically. you reasoning that venom is some how immune has no shred of tangible evidence b/c Gorgon can Read and scan both Wolverine and Elektra and Wolverine has level 9 psi blocks and is just as trained as blocking his mind as other Psi's and elektra is a telepath with similar training to logan if not slightly better and yet Gorgon could read them just find and establish telepathic communication..
I just posted scans proving that Venom can see with his tendrils in any direction. And that he can make "eyes" on any part of his body. The thing is, they arent really eyes, they're are average parts of the symbiote and arent necessary needed for him to see. You think the symbiote develops new organs for Eddie or something? Those eyes are still that same symbiotic goo but in a shape of eyes and he can see with them. Just like he can see with tendrils. Carnage has been ambushed as many times as Venom. Blame it on writers, doesnt change the fact that both symbiotes can see with any part of the symbiotic suit, which was my point from the beginning, the point you tried to argue, despite me showing proofs.
When you were pointing out differences between Venom and Carnage you made several mistakes, including ability to absorb other symbiotes and resistance to certain attacks, all in attempt to prove that Venom shouldnt be able to see with the suit (which I already proved he can) Dont see why you keep arguing when I never tried to transfere Carnage's feats to Venom but using Venom's own all along.
Glad we agree on something. And CIS aside his speed is more than enough to fight Gorgon on even footing.
I never claimed that penance stare didnt work, its just you brought up an irrelevant argument of power that has nothing to do with the stone stare. I only argued your interptetation of the events, you said it worked just fine but even penance stare didnt work like it was suposed to, it only hurt Brock a bit but left Ghost Rider uncouncious, so unless you're suggesting that stone stare will knock Gorgon out I dont see how it helps the argument. Once again, if you can show evidence of Gorgon's power effecting symbiotes you'll have a point. For now you dont because of the inches of symbiote goo covering Brock's eyes.
No, that would be your argument about stone stare that holds no base. My argument is based on the fact that Venom's own telepathy is more effective than Gorgon's, meaning Gorgon's telepathy (assuming it'll work at all) wont make much difference as Brock himself can do the same thing to Gorgon. As he has that ability + mindcontrole + mindrape. So unless Gorgon is planning to telepathicaly talk Brock to the death, I dont see how it makes a difference.
Lets make this clear. You created a thread thinking that Gorgon can simply stonestare all of the symbiotes FTW, in whcih case it would've been spite. And now that I proved that it wont work you're upset because you originally intended for it to be spite? Also, so far Im the only one presented evidence in character's defence, you havent even started explaining why should Gorgon's power work through inches of symbiotic goo when it failes even though thin eyelids. So I dont need to try again, ive proven everything I said. You however didnt.
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I disagree. He posses a sword capable of killing gods. He posses a dead body and wolverine level healing factor. He genius intellect, martial arts master, posses superhuman stats across the boards.
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Which still means he doesn't have as much going for him. Those stats of his are nowhere near Venom's. He isn't even quite on Spider-Man's level all across the board. So Gorgon's genius intellect matters in a match but when it's Spider-Man it doesn't matter in a fight? MA ability? Won't really matter against symbiotes.
He will give Brock trouble, then he will lose. If he's fighting all of them, he goes down. Hard.
I disagree, that is still quite abit going for him.
Stats arnt closes to venom? based on what? Only realy advantage venom has is strength, He has zero speed of reflex advantage, in fact I ever wager Gorgon the faster of the two.
I stated his intellect becuase you acting like in general once his stone stare gone he got nothing, which is far from the cases, he completely no sold many establish characters with out the uses of stone stare. I agree intellect does not determine much in a fight, it more tactics, that matter which gorgon still a genius at, though doubt it matter much in this fight.
MA ability will play a factor in melee, like it always does, him facing a sym does not change this.
why will he loses to brock? Becuase I disagree completely.
not sure phobes powers had no effect on him and he a god.
Doubtful, unless Gorgon got his powers from an accident or a disease that altered his physiology.
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I'm the only future you've got
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can I see these feats? if there a section of the respect thread that has it or something, feel free if it either to post the link to the page, rather then wasting your time posting scans.
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Nov 16th, 2010 08:43 PM
Ok tell me this. When the symbiotes have no hosts (the goo state) how do they move around? They dont always shows the "eyes".
