Thor
Captain America
Iron Man
Giantman
Wasp
Hulk
Black Widow
Justice League:
Superman
Hawkgirl
Flash
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern
Wonder Woman
Batman
Using these characters, what do you think would be the best matchup. And working as a team which team would win. The scenario is they are in some non-specified city, they don't have any outside help, there are no civilians or military groups picking sides, no other heroes than the ones mentioned here, and no Greek or Norse gods. Just themselves and whatever is around. And no there is no Kryptonite just lying around, and they have to stay in the city limits no running to other other side of the world, or time travel. All of the characters are at their peak, and Iron man can be in any of his suits, as well. Black Widow and Batman can have any gadgets that they have had before, but no vehicles to keep it simple.
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Yea I based this roster off of the latest installments, pretty much every marvel hero has been in the avengers at one point or another so you could realistically pick anyone, I just used these guys because I liked the two animated movies I saw with this line up. Ultimate Avengers. The same thing could be said about Justice League to some extent, although not as much (batman sup's and wonder woman are always in it) so again I just used the more recent movie roster.
The only chance I see of avengers winning, or at least not being completely destroyed is if they played off of rarely used weaknesses on the DC side.
Example. Wasp is yellow, so technically Green Lantern couldn't do anything to her (I always thought that was a stupid weakness), Thor's hammer is magic so Superman is just as vulnerable to it as anyone else, and if Thor goes into that Bezerker rage thing he's strong enough to lift 6 earths (about superman level)
The Incredible Hulk movie showed the Captain America injections giving that spec ops guy near movie spiderman like strength and agility, coupled with his indestructible shield, and advanced training he could be a serious threat to hawkgirl.
Black widow could be a threat to Batman, they probably have equal fighting skills but batman would have an edge with physical strength, she might have an edge because she has guns.
both iron man and Giant man would be destroyed by wonder woman, but there is a fairly equally split debate about wether or not Hulk could beat wonder woman,
Thor is the only one that could possibly challenge Flash, and yet Flash has had some difficulty in the past with laser bearing enemies, (as well as other bad guys that really shouldn't be able to do anything to him Gorrilla Grod, Captain Boomerange, captain cold. The point being Iron man's repulsor rays might be able to hit the flash if he would stop long enough, (he always seems to) He also has suits that allow faster than light travel.
Giant man's aura which allows him to grow giant has given him protection from both telpaths, and people that could phase through solid objects. This would even the playing fields a bit against the Martian Man Hunter, but my money is still on the green guy.
Unfortunately DC comics took away all the cool weaknesses that made all their heroes bearable. Then went even further to amp them so much that even their writers have stated that they are bored writing them now. In particular Superman.
1.Lantern isn't vunerable to yellow anymore.
2.Superman can handle kryptonite now. Magic don't mean squat and he explodes solar energy when a animated vampire bites him LOL.
3.Flash is now the GOD OF SPEED!
4.Wonderwoman now apparently Superman's equal coincidentally and the arm bracelets reflecting bullets don't mean squat anymore. + many more bullcrap artifacts that allow her to cut through/mess up anything.
My girlfriend manages a comicbook store and she says only hardcore fans dig these guys anymore due to the fact that....well they can't lose.
Sad considering I grew up loving Silver Age DC characters and their wacky adventures but now....meh.
Sounds right, you can't really say that kryptonite is Superman's weakness when he can lift a continent made of it, throw it into space and then fall back to Earth with various chunks of it dug into his chest, and survive. I preferred it when a piece of kryptonite the side of a car key could bring him to his knees from a football field away. That was interesting. Marvel characters are so much more interesting at this point. Although my dad would kill me if he heard me say that he's a die hard D.C. fan
More or less true, lanterns aren't vulnerable to yellow unless they feel fear. Which isn't to say they don't have weaknesses, anything that disrupts willpower/concentration will do.
However, the lantern stuff has generally been quite awesome and the best selling sector of DC for years now. Also ever since the Corps have return, their power levels have generally been a bit lower, most notably in ring charges which tend to run out a lot faster, so there's more emphasis on power charge levels as a weakness.
I recommend Green Lantern Corps as a series.
The 'a vampire died from biting him due to solar' was a silver age event and IMO makes sense. More recently they forgot that when they had vamps bite him.
Magic works against him, though it's somewhat dependent on type (like, it's not a crippling vulnerability in the sense of "anything magic auto-works," but it gives a definite edge), and so does kryptonite and it's varieties.
Not in a literal sense, just more channeling of the speed force.
He can still be KOed with a wrench to the head if he's not paying attention.
"Now"? She's been fighting with Superman since the silver age. The arm bracelets are for reflecting stuff like Cheetah's enchanted claws or Superman's heat vision and for most purposes have been for a very long time. And the other artifacts? Like the tiara that's enchanted to cut through stuff? Try golden age.
Though right now-now, she's also been significantly depowered and is slowly regaining her abilities due to some time meddling as part of a one-year arc. So far, I'm not digging it, but for un-power level related reasons (we haven't really gotten to *know* this alt time line Diana).
They can lose as much as Thor, Nova, Spider-man, etc.. They can and do lose in their stories pretty often.
If you think they aren't enjoyable and "they can't lose," well, you're obviously not getting your info from people who read the comics. They have plenty of foes of significantly power who can rip them apart and take them down, and often do.
This is a common complaint by people who have an outside image of the characters without really knowing what they're talking about due to not reading the good stuff. Read Gail Simone's Wonder Woman run. Badass and a half, but you never get the idea that she can't lose. Especially when she does get ripped apart by the villain Genocide and her lasso taken. There is some awesome drama during that run (and Greg Rucka's run is also really good), and even when she 'wins' she can still 'lose'.
If you can get drama from Marvel heroes, you can get drama from DC heroes.
Writer/storyline dependent of course. The current Superman storyline is generally viewed as not great, but for reasons unrelated to power (Superman's going on walkabout across the US to 'connect' with people, but that's something that's been done before and much better, and many of the morals of individual meetings and stories along the way just aren't very good).
Uh, they're *weaker* now than the Silver age.... Silver Age had the highest power levels of any DC age.
A lot of recent powering-up has been compared to Silver Age stuff but it's still not the same level they had back then, it's just in comparison to the Bronze/Iron age that they've moved up.
I agree with this. Actually the biggest "issue" -assuming there is one and assuming we should care about power levels and realism to enjoy a comicbook story, both being bold assumptions imo- with DC is that the herald class is swamped and the meta class is almost non-existant; in order to have some hero credibility in DC you need to at least being able to amp to hang with Superman level characters. There are exceptions to this -mostly the Secret Six/Suicide Squad series-, but it's kind of true for other books.
The "problem" comes often when you think of the DC universe on the whole or focus on events and crossovers, I think that the Green Lantern books have managed a pretty healthy balance without feeling overpowered despite their herald rank characters.
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