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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
b/c it is the obstacles in one's life and how a person chooses to face them that helps define a person including their will and determination to face those obstacles.
The more trials and tribulations one faces the more one can see what type of a person one is.
aside from that ask yourself what is more impressive:
a starving bear who refuses to kill the weaker prey around him b/c he has bn taught not to, considering it a friend or family and fighting off its animals instincts/urges.
or
A man who is hungry who doesn't take food from a plate b/c he has good manners?
which of the two is asserting better control over themselves and is far more impressive?
Wolverine not giving in to his base instincts is cool and all.
Too bad he's made a career of doing it and is constantly fighting (and failing) to control his better nature. Him struggling to be a good person and habitually not being one in no way makes him have greater willpower than Captain America.
What are some actual feats of Logan's that suggests his will is greater than Steve's?
Cap stood there while Nefaria "killed" people and told Moonknight not to kill him. Wolverine was shouting at the top of his lungs to kill him.
Cap refuses to kill as an Avenger, even the worst people. Wolverine refuses to kill select people, but still murders many people. And it's not like Cap is a stranger to killing people. WW2, select highlights of him killing people, etc. Hell, Cap didn't even kill Hitler, although he wasn't an Avenger at the time. Cap refuses to kill now because he believes that true heroes don't kill. That comes from him.
I don't kill people. Does that mean I have more will power than Logan? You're missing his point. Cap has no urge to kill, Logan does and he constantly struggles against it. As for Logan givving in to despair or bad habits at times that doesn't prove he has less will power than Steve because he's lived through much more crap and we won't know what Cap wouldve been like untill something simillar actually happened to him. But the fact that Logan keeps going, has faith, sees good in people EVEN after all that crap is a point in his favor. That said I'm not arguing that Logan necessarily has more will, but the arguments that were brought against him in this thread arent the right ones.
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Last edited by SamZED on Feb 19th, 2012 at 01:36 AM
Do you consistently fight murderers? Do you watch bad people kill innocents and then say "Avengers don't kill"
Have you killed people before? Have you been in wars?
Logan gives into it. Cap doesn't (except in very rare cases). Cap's moral fiber is so high that he can watch people he's loved die and not give into the urge to kill. Hell, in the few cases he does decide to take a life, it takes some serious serious thinking about it. He didn't even want to kill Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube while the Red Skull already ruled the world and was only going to get more powerful. It took who he thought was Uatu to convince him to strike.
Cap's lived through plenty shit in his life, so that's not really an argument. How many years did he have to repeat his fight with Korvac, a tyrant who he stood no chance against, yet he never faltered?
I don't but if I did I wouldn't kill them and I would count that as a feat of will power. You keep missing the point. For Cap not killing someone is not an achievement, for Logan it is because it's his nature. He's basically an animal that was programmed to murder things and he constantly struggles against it. Cap has nothing to give into, just like for you and me for him it is a matter of choice. For Logan it's not. You can't compare those things.
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