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Bauer would have started torturing Hans (just out of suspicion something may be up) as soon as he saw him on the rooftop. This isn't a stretch because Jack's tortured his own family members just because he thought they might be involved in something, so...no
I'm not seeing McClane being able to take out the Coral Snake commando team whom Jack killed every single one of
If torturing someone that most likely would be some poor guy who managed to stay hidden is Bauer's first course of action, then he's clearly unstable and unstable/not thinking won't get him through DH1, let alone DH2-4. He for sure won't survive the explosion and be able to grab onto the venting ledge with his normal durability. If (big IF)he survives the explosion, his arm will be ripped off by the G-forces when he tries to grabs and he'll fall to his death. So he gets through about 64 mins of DH1.
McClane took out a group of highly trained soldiers out in DH2. He's more than capable.
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It's too bad he tortured those people on his intuition, which is always correct. Everyone's he's tortured has ended up being guilty. He doesn't have an "unintentionally tortured innocent" anywhere on his torture streak.
Bauer takes out small armies.....on an hourly basis. McClane has to take 15 minutes to tend to his poor foot. To Bauer that is wasting time.
Still clearly unstable, even a nut can be correct.
Only advantage Bauer has over McClane in DH1, he's so tiny he won't feel like a "TV Dinner" when crawling through the HVAC, he'll be more like a gerbil crawling through those plastic tunnels you find in petshop cages.
He's still not clearing DH1 though, not durable enough.
But I'll entertain you, let's just pretend (lol) Bauer gets to DH4, how's he taking out the helicopter and two machine-gunners when he runs out of bullets?
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He is durable enough, but he won't even need durability, since he'll be killing all of them, and note with the ease of a CIA assassin, which he formerly was, and not bitching and crying about some glass in his foot to a fat cop see can't see what he's shooting at.
Probably the same way. Or better. He probably won't even find himself cornered in such a helpless position.
But I'll entertain you. Let's pretend (lol) McClane gets to 24S4, how's he sneaking undetected and exfiltrating the Chinese Embassy
So your cop-out to the helicopter in DH4 is "Bauer will kill them first", guys (barring one) he's would not have known about or met up until that point?
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No. I've addressed the helicopter scenario head on. And like I said, Jack would have done the exact same thing. Speaking from an objective perspective (having seen both and thus knowing all the facts), I think Jack is resourceful enough to have pulled that off. If there were anyone else who watches 24 on here, they would back me up
You haven't addressed how Jack severely outclasses McClane in h2h and gunfights. And how McClane is going to infiltrate a foreign embassy
So you're saying Bauer has the ability to launch Fords like that. What leads you to believe this? Because it sounds like BS.
Bauer has not outclassed McClane. McClane could probably walk right into that embassy, being a police officer, so that alone could get him through the door.
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And won't get jack shit, especially not the nuclear physicist has has to kidnap to prevent a nuclear detonation on US soil. The fact that McClane limits himself by the "law" is once again sending him down a few more tiers
Easy, fella. You asked how McClane could "infiltrate" the embassy, I gave you an answer of how he could.
Your claims are basically baseless, as McClane has shown on-the-fly resourcefulness, especially when pressured. McClane bends and even breaks the rules for the greater good.
So McClane is able to at least get through the door in Bauer's scenario. Bauer dies to a hail of bullets in McClane's chopper scenario. McClane +1.
Topic: Bauer stops at DH4, though that's being extremely generous, imo.
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