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lawest9
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Doom vs Strange.

Can Stranges sorcery be offset by a blend of high tech and magic?

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Dooms beats the hell out of Strange


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Current Strange would definitely lose.

Doom has done decent enough against Classic Strange as well, and while Strange has steadily been nerfed through the years, Doom, conversely, has only been getting more formidable.

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There's also that to consider as well as, according to the Children's Crusade, Doom's magic is superior to Strange's own. And Strange himself has conceded Doom's knowledge of the dark arts exceeds his own.


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Loving Marek's face in the last scan...


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Lets be honest: Doom treated Strange like he was a weak feeb in the scene Jake posted. And *technically* that scene took place in the classic era, which means Strange was *technically* at his magical peak, while Doom was *technically* at his magical low. Since then, Doom has improved astronomically as a sorcerer-- so *technically* Doom should be able to tool Strange pretty casually with his current powerset.

...And there's also this:
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Doom's magic>Wanda's AND Strange's.


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Is possible to numerate the confirmed upgrades he received ?

The Morgana Le fay is one.

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Doctor Strange tutoring him
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Marquis of Death (though that one's debatable)


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Classic Strange schools him mad


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Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Is possible to numerate the confirmed upgrades he received ?

The Morgana Le fay is one.
marquis of death run. He spent quite some time as the Marquis apprentice and while Marquis may not have been magic based he sure as hell taught doom quite a bit of applicable knowledge.

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Maybe it's just me but I actually find it very hard getting a definitive lock on just how compare, yes you can find scans that says Doom is stronger but the door certainly also swings the other way.


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Are there scans of Strange being stronger than Doom?

Its VERY VERY rare to find Doom admitting anyone is his equal, let alone superior. It happens, but rarely.


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Are there scans of Strange being stronger than Doom?

Its VERY VERY rare to find Doom admitting anyone is his equal, let alone superior. It happens, but rarely.


I don't recall the exact situation but I recall Doom saying that Strange clearly bested him in sorcery and he had to close that advantage by technological might. There is also the incident when they fought together in "Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment" and Doom iirc lost.


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Are there scans of Strange being stronger than Doom?

Its VERY VERY rare to find Doom admitting anyone is his equal, let alone superior. It happens, but rarely.


Just because he won't admit someone is superior doesn't mean that they aren't.


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Classic strange wins.


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Originally posted by Utrigita
I don't recall the exact situation but I recall Doom saying that Strange clearly bested him in sorcery and he had to close that advantage by technological might. There is also the incident when they fought together in "Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment" and Doom iirc lost.


Which was before Doom's magical prowess clearly increased to the level it is now.


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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Classic Strange schools him mad


It seems Strange forgot more about magic then Doom will ever know...


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Which was before Doom's magical prowess clearly increased to the level it is now.


How much have Dooms level increased from then till now? Or is it simply more the fact that Doctor Strange own level of power have decreased?


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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Current Strange would definitely lose.

Doom has done decent enough against Classic Strange as well, and while Strange has steadily been nerfed through the years, Doom, conversely, has only been getting more formidable.



There's also that to consider as well as, according to the Children's Crusade, Doom's magic is superior to Strange's own. And Strange himself has conceded Doom's knowledge of the dark arts exceeds his own.


Don't get too caught up in those scans because Doc spanked Doom with the Crimson bands in Triumph & Torment. In the "classic era".

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BTW I'd like to see scans of Strange stating Dooms knowledge of the dark arts surpasses his. That statement holds no weight anyway because Doom has yet to demonstrate (on panel) the amount of power utilizing it like Strange has. Doc has temporarily destroyed a demon of the highest order (Shuma Gorath) with it.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Lets be honest: Doom treated Strange like he was a weak feeb in the scene Jake posted. And *technically* that scene took place in the classic era, which means Strange was *technically* at his magical peak, while Doom was *technically* at his magical low. Since then, Doom has improved astronomically as a sorcerer-- so *technically* Doom should be able to tool Strange pretty casually with his current powerset.

...And there's also this:
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Doom's magic>Wanda's AND Strange's.


Doom was schooled by Doc as well so there's that.
That scan has no credibility. Why? Because in the same arc, Magneto states that Wanda is superior to Doom

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Power levels were all over the place. Doc curbstomped Wanda in Avengers Disassembled. If we take these fabricated character statements (which I won't) to coincide with what's depicted on panel, then it would be Strange>>Doom>>Wanda.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Classic Strange schools him mad


In every way shape form and fashion as far as sorcery. Doom even flat out admits it. Even when amping his armor he still falls short.

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If it wasn't for Docs shield, Doom would've been toast when they fought Mephisto. He freed Cynthia Von Dooms soul at the same time while it was being erected. Doom was basically just a bystander.

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Proof (from Dooms own mouth) that Classic Strange is better versed in sorcery than him

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To sum it up...Classic Strange was leagues beyond Doom. One failed attempt with the Crimson bands doesn't change that.


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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It seems Strange forgot more about magic then Doom will ever know...
Based on everything that's been posted, that doesn't even make sense.


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