Phoenix Giruad or Phoenix Vulcan (we talking about the one from What If : Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire). The other Phoenixs are weaksauce or have no real showings.
Rachel Summers Phoenix COULD have been something but she sucked a$$. Mastermind tapping into her power had universe level cosmic awareness and during the end of the Days of Future Present storyline Dr. Strange compared her 'astral disturbance" to Jean Grey Dark Phoenix. Plus technically ANYTHING DoFP Franklin did during that entire arc could have been applied to Rachel since he was using HER power to do it.
But like I said, she's fail.
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What if Vulcan and What if Jean top the list being that they have both destroyed whole solar systems with mere flare ups.
Not hating on Giraud but what has he done besides heal himself and Eternity from Bubonicus' plague staff? He needed help vs Ubiquitor & Dormammu. I won't single out Dormy tho cause he was amped and drained to the point that GOTG basically beat him up afterwards but Giraud is pressed for feats to be considered the top of the Phoenix hosts. Costume was the coolest tho.
I hear Doon and GK coming to dismiss what they would call a crappy Franklin from that DOFP arc.
What If Vulcan was casually destroying GALAXIES and putting the fear of God into Watchers But that's neither here nor there. What "What If" Jean are you talking about though? I don't see her on the list the OP provided.
Well, not only did Giruad deal with Bubonicus and heal himself, he also healed the infected Galactic Guardians and Eternity (something Eternity himself couldn't do). He beat the Korvac amalgam that was said to be made up of equal parts : Korvac, Michael the Enemy, AND Mainframe. He devoured a planet (Haven). He did need help with Ubiquitor BUT you got to keep in mind, he himself admitted that he was feeling drained keeping up Mainframe's world because it's systems were deceptively complicated.
Against Dormammu sure he needed help but it was TWO Dormammu's combined into one. There was also a lot of PIS/CIS in that story arc.
Well DoFP Franklin was casually warping reality, annihilating Sentinels, and playing around with the FF/X-Men/X-Factor like toys. He may not have displayed "Hickman level" power but he was an Omega for sure and Ahab took notice once his power flared up (this story retconned DoFP Franklin as growing up with no powers), even in the past! This was interesting because it wasn't really his power, it was Rachel Phoenix's.
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He was a crappy incarnation as far as power-levels are concerned . Although that arc reinforced the idea that Franklin's a pimp as far as the psycho-redhead Jean Grey rip-offs are concerned .
Also , iirc , the feats he displayed were a result of tapping into both Rachel and the younger 616-Franklin's powers . Been a while since I read that arc . I'll check again .
I just glanced over the list and you're right, that Jean isn't on there. Anyway I was talking about the What if Phoenix hadn't died. The one who destroyed that entire alternate universe.
The healing of Eternity was cool but that's just a typical power that the force can exhibit. Along the same lines of essence spreading throughout 616 to ensure all living things exist after the destruction of the previous universe/jump starting the mutant gene etc. It was only a cauterization involved with Eternity anyway.
As for Korvac, that version was smacked around by the GOTG. It wasn't even really a fight when Giraud showed up. He flared up then bfr'ed him to another reality
That's what I meant. Power level wise.
He's far from a pimp tho. Pimps take everything. If he would've left Rachel completely powerless, only then would it apply.
That wasn't the only universe where Jean/Phoenix went berserk and destroyed. What If Conan fought Wolverine, it happened there too : (please log in to view the image)
"Nothing prevents Jean Grey from transforming utterly and completely into her dark persona before she can destroy herself, thus the full fury of the Phoenix is unleashed on an unsuspecting populace, one final interjection reflects the statement of an entire universe..........CROM!"
I don't think you're giving Giruad/Phoenix enough credit Sundipped, when Mainframe asked Eternity who he wanted him to summon for help, the Celestials/the Living Tribunal, Eternity replied "No, our only hope lies in the power of the Phoenix" (please log in to view the image)
With "What If" Jean/Phoenix not on the list, it really comes down to Giruad vs What If Vulcan Phoenix as the most powerful host, with Rachel Summers coming in at number two. Believe it or not, I just remembered that in her fight with Necrom, she was indeed holding back. She told him she didn't want to engage him at his level or they would have destroyed the universe. http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8331/050p29gp6.jpg
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But that reality was about to bite it though, even if the LT wouldn't concern himself with one universe in the greater scheme of things, the Celestials for sure wouldn't want the universe to crumble around them.
The greater point is, Eternity himself couldn't stop the consumption from spreading and needed the PF (unlike the PF which cured itself and it's teammates and bfred Bubonicus).
In all fairness Dual Dormammu did nothing to Giraud except knock him back. That entire fight was funny though as Dual Dormammu wound up getting beaten by Dr. Strange's apprentice.
She's a 'tard
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I think we both know that was a hyperbolic statement on the writer's part.
To suggest that Giraud can do anything that the Celestials could not, is really funny.
Imo, the writer adding the LT reference there tells me
he's not in the loop concerning said types.
The only thing Giraud did was burn the area of the infected tear in Eternity.
Why Eternity could not do this himself is ridiculous,
especially when 10 issues later Eternity is meticulously repairing Space-Time,
as in Reality itself,
yet, cauterizing (via fire) a wounded is beyond him.
Then again, to be fair, it is a "GOTG" book,
so the writer is going to have one of the members saving the day.
Zop, G got blasted back, then encased in tentacles,
then all his power was combined with the rest of the team
plus the apprentice and Strange, and still ... stomped again.
Dormy's defeat was piss-fully priceless as always.
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But that's neither here nor there. What "What If" Jean are you talking about though? I don't see her on the list the OP provided.
... She must've been drunk from the amount she was already using.
