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What showings makes Classic Juggernaut completely Invulnerable??

There has to be more than one fight/showings that makes people believe Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to physical damage. Minus his one fight against Thor that could very well in itself be considered PIS, what other showings makes Juggernaut indestructible?


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Hey Hulk expert, you might want to start there. Especially the WWHulk vs Juggernaut match that all Hulk could do was a bfr.

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Him fighting Hulk doesn't make him completely invulnerable. Especially since Hulk was holding back. Then we have this showing...

2 punches.

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hul...layout.jpg.html


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Its not that he is its he should be based on the fact he is called The Unstoppable Juggernaut he has been hurt with fire to the eyes by Nightcrawler but he should not have been hurt at all imo.


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Re: What showings makes Classic Juggernaut completely Invulnerable??

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There has to be more than one fight/showings that makes people believe Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to physical damage. Minus his one fight against Thor that could very well in itself be considered PIS, what other showings makes Juggernaut indestructible?



The first fight against Spider-Man, perhaps the greatest legitimate win Parker has ever scored on so powerful an opponent.

A masterpiece in the depiction of Cain as unstoppable force; likewise one for the frank depiction of Peter's darker side. By the end of the story, having eyewitnessed a friend rendered comatose and callously tossed aside to die by Juggernaut, then too beaten himself to within an inch of his life, narrowly averting that fate by seconds, Spider-Man grimly looks on as his opponent disappears ... and apparently suffocates.

Arguably, in the final analysis, Spider-Man could not and did not technically stop Juggernaut. But he slowed him down to the point that it made no difference.

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Him fighting Hulk doesn't make him completely invulnerable. Especially since Hulk was holding back. Then we have this showing...

2 punches.

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hul...layout.jpg.html


Was that the same storyline when Juggy beat the crap out of the Hulk in the Jungle?

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Invulnerability is relative.

Like most terms in comics


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Salsa,

The scans you're showing of Juggernaut beating down Hulk are not showing inconsistency.

Hulk has been caught by surprise there. IIRC, he does not even know he is fighting the Juggernaut at that point.

Meaningless even if you prove he did, by the way -- we're talking about invulnerability, not strength, power, and/or overall fight effectiveness.



For this to be an example of inconsistency regarding invulnerability, your scene would need to show Juggernaut TAKING punches from Hulk.

What exactly is he supposed to be vulnerable to if he's the only one GIVING punches ... his fists being hurt on Hulk's face ??



I agree with your overall point that invulnerability is a relative term in comics, though.

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I am not showing any scans blue,


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He walks through the X-Men's attacks constantly. Constantly bodies Thor too. Plus IIRC he's overpowered Hulk many times and Hulk has to usually BFR him. Wolverine too has failed to hurt him with his magically 'hurt anything' adamantium claws.


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I am not showing any scans Blue,



Sorry ... I'll blame that on not having had dinner yet.

I actually looked at tkitna's scan and thought it was part of your message ...


Time to eat!

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Was that the same storyline when Juggy beat the crap out of the Hulk in the Jungle?

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What issue is that from?

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There has to be more than one fight/showings that makes people believe Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to physical damage. Minus his one fight against Thor that could very well in itself be considered PIS, what other showings makes Juggernaut indestructible?
many showings against the xmen. His unstoppable enchantment actually gives the suspension of disbelief that he is invincible.


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Jugs usually sustains damage in his fights. No one is truly invulnerable except Fulcrum and/or One Above All. And I'm fairly certain cosmic beings like Galactus could disperse Juggy's molecules over a vast distance instantly, thus ending his existence.

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many showings against the xmen. His unstoppable enchantment actually gives the suspension of disbelief that he is invincible.



Examples. By the way, he has been stopped.


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thor #411-412 & 428-429. these are the comics in which juggy's invulnerability was best referenced/showcased(ala an impenetrable force-field), so naturally they are the first scenes people are going to think of when you bring up 'classic' juggernaut's badassery. however, he was still tanking wolverine's slash-attacks+cumulative attacks from the rest of the x-men WELL before he ever battled thor.


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Him fighting Hulk doesn't make him completely invulnerable. Especially since Hulk was holding back. Then we have this showing...

2 punches.

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hul...layout.jpg.html


Something doesnt seems right about that scan. Seems like Hulk is seeing illusions or something. Is that even really the Juggernaut? What issue is that?

And I thought according to you that anyone who manages to stalemate WWHulk is unstoppable.

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Examples. By the way, he has been stopped.



Again. The first Juggernaut battle against Spider-Man.

This website has a good summary of it:


http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/2...nstoppable-foe/

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Jugs usually sustains damage in his fights. No one is truly invulnerable except Fulcrum and/or One Above All. And I'm fairly certain cosmic beings like Galactus could disperse Juggy's molecules over a vast distance instantly, thus ending his existence.

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Wasn't Cain effectively downgraded at this point? Hyperion would have never done this well against Cain during the 7th, and 8th day arc.


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Something doesnt seems right about that scan. Seems like Hulk is seeing illusions or something. Is that even really the Juggernaut? What issue is that?

And I thought according to you that anyone who manages to stalemate WWHulk is unstoppable.


Hulk was seeing illusions. One of his illusion made Juggernaut look like his father. Juggernaut wasn't an illusion, Hulk kind was being tampered with. He ended up gaining control which made him wreck Juggernaut.

WWH was holding back.


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